• Sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works
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    10 months ago

    Am I the one one thinking this post is blowing the topic way out of proportion?

    The post title is clickbait in its purest form: nothing is being blocked (from what even). There is a single issue raised on some obscure filter list… This has no consequences whatsoever. I am wondering why Protonmail even bothers to comment on this issue…

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      10 months ago

      Admittedly the title is pretty sensationalist. The repo activity seems to indicate that the project has some users. It’s impossible to know how many sites or which sites block emails contained in this list and what the impact might be. Even though I think the 7c/fakefilter project is inane, I would hesitate to say there would be no consequences at all.

      It’s best to defend legitimate email providers whenever possible. If we don’t, those with an axe to grind get to define the provider’s reputation.

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      10 months ago

      Yep.

      I’ve already run into a few. I mentally thank them for preventing me from wasting my time and money with them.

    • Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      10 months ago

      And since people won’t use the website, the website won’t use the list. So the list would be useless.
      The maintainer seems to have followed the same interpretation, weighing legitimate use against spam use. This is the official response to the issue as of 8h ago:

      Dear Contributors,

      We value your suggestions for expanding our list of disposable email providers. Your input is crucial in enhancing our tool’s capabilities.

      Decision on Gmail and ProtonMail Inclusion

      After thorough evaluation, we have resolved not to include Gmail and ProtonMail in our list. Our rationale is based on the following technical and operational considerations:

      1. **Reputation and Reliability**
         
         * **Gmail and ProtonMail**: Established, reputable providers with a high trust level for personal and professional communication.
         * **Distinction**: Unlike typical disposable email services, they offer long-term, reliable email solutions.
      
      2. **Active Abuse and Spam Prevention Mechanisms**
         
         * **Effective Systems**: Both providers have robust mechanisms to detect and mitigate abuse and spam.
         * **Proactive Monitoring**: Ensures a secure email environment, reducing the prevalence of malicious activities.
      
      3. **Commercial Intent of Typical Disposable Email Providers**
         
         * **Focus**: Targeting providers driven by ad revenue, facilitating spam/abuse.
         * **Gmail and ProtonMail's Model**: User-centric, not primarily ad-driven.
      
      4. **Domain Limitations**
         
         * **Effectiveness**: Limited domain offerings by Gmail and ProtonMail make them less susceptible to misuse.
         * **Strategy**: Focusing on providers with extensive, rotating domain lists for more impactful filtering.
      
      5. **Individual User Accountability**
         
         * **Accountability Measures**: Both services have mechanisms to penalize users violating terms, decreasing misuse risks.
      

      Summary and Next Steps

      Including Gmail and ProtonMail does not align with our criteria for identifying disposable email services. Our aim is to target services significantly contributing to online spam and abuse, without impacting legitimate email services. We have reviewed your list and agree on adding some providers, like internxt.com (Reference). We will also incorporate the obvious choices from the tail of your list. We apologize for the delay in addressing this issue but intend to promptly resolve it by focusing on the most impactful additions.

    • helenslunch@feddit.nl
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      10 months ago

      GitHub blocked me from registering with a Proton domain:

      Our abuse detecting systems flagged your account because of the email address you used to register the account. Before we can remove the flag we need you to add and verify a personal, non-disposable, non-aliased email address.

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      10 months ago

      Same. That said, sometimes it’s a config error. I sent a very annoyed email to a website that didn’t work on Firefox, only for them to tell me that it was a bug and that they fixed it.

    • Stantana@lemmy.sambands.net
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      10 months ago

      Simple as, if they don’t even support e-mail it’s surely a rather shite site.

      The closed garden corpo-approved electronic message service the github issue is talking about simply won’t do.

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    10 months ago

    Power Users: Block all emails that aren’t Gmail or Outlook!

    Also Power Users: Why are Google and Microsoft monopolies!?

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    10 months ago

    The one who opened an issue is either 13 years old and dumb as a log or a troll (also dumb as a log) and this project is barely used, like at all

    So please, don’t give them attention

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      10 months ago

      That comment chain was utterly hilarious. The OP practically wanted to block every email provider in existence.

      You know because you can create spam from practically every provider. I guess it’s good that this kind of idiocy is hashed out rather than just being implemented blindly with a pull request.

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        10 months ago

        Stop all spam with this one simple trick filter! All spam emails contain ‘@’, therefore all emails containing ‘@’ are spam and will be blocked

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      10 months ago

      You cannot even make it past the half-way mark of the OP to realize that the creator has no idea what they are talking about.

      Something interesting I learnt about the generated gmail accounts is that they either contain + or an excessive amount of dots, 2 very odd patterns in real, legitimate email accounts. I was able to reliably detect at least 3 or 4 dots in the email itself when it’s using the dotted variation.

      Continuing the discussion, the fact that they are so defensive and immediately hide behind moral high ground when someone calls out their mental gymnastics out for the bullshit they are, makes me believe that they are a troll. A child would lose interest after getting so many negative responses.


      The behavior you see from the creator is close to a troll tactic called “sealioning”. While refusing to give their own claims any plausible proof (they constantly talk about “tests” they’ve run without any specification thereof), they request elucidation or sources for any contraindicating claims (here in the form of discussions which are held off-platform, e.g. on Discord), but fail to engage with any proof of the contrary (refusing to take protonmail and several other legitimate providers off the list even after talking to the literal CTO) while just reiterating their standpoint over and over again.

      All the while, they pretend to discuss sincerely and are always polite and superficially receptive to counterclaims. This is key to their general strategy of eroding a victim’s patience and exhaust their attention. One of two outcomes generally occur:

      a) The victim snaps. In this case the troll will claim moral high ground and garner sympathy from 3rd-party observers because of fickle reasons like “there is no reason to insult somebody on the internet”.

      b) The victim leaves in order to not appear unreasonable. On a public platform, like a thread, many observers will then grant the “victory” to the troll because their stand point seems strong and counterclaims seem indefensible. This is the ultimate goal of the troll and what makes it dangerous.

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        10 months ago

        Just reminds me of an idiot PM we had who after realizing you could do the + thing on Gmail addresses made the devs block it, then didn’t understand why qa and anyone else testing using those types of email accounts got mad when no one could get in or create new accounts

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    Do keep in mind, it seems like protonmail is considered a whitelisted domain in the eyes of lead that’s running that project. I say this because if you go under the issues page of it and then select the whitelist issue which is the issue that he uses to keep track of every domain that will not be blacklisted, protonmail appears there. That being said the others don’t appear.

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    10 months ago

    Can someone please explain to me why they can’t create the account even if it is used as disposable? Storing one text file with the login on their side does not cost much storage at all.

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    10 months ago

    Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it’s needed to block them. It’s like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more. I do hope they won’t cloud your judgement @7c , as these services are used for temp emails by all definitions. If you have any questions you may always ask me from the conversation we have started :)

    Shit like this is what makes me want to pull my hair out at night

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    10 months ago

    This happens to me occasionally already as a paid Fastmail user. I switched from Gmail about a year ago and I can’t change my existing Yahoo account to use Fastmail.

    I get it, we deal with fraud and abuse from throwaway emails all day at work, but it is frustrating for sure.

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      10 months ago

      Hmm worrying. I switched to Fastmail too and use a lot of their ‘masked emails’. No problems so far, touch wood

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    10 months ago

    Why does anyone care? The npm package has 3,712 weekly downloads. They’re trying to act like it’s some mainstream package that a lot of companies rely on, but nobody uses it…

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    10 months ago

    Every ~3 to ~5 years I change my free email addresses (gmail, hotmail/outlook, yahoo, etc.). Although, I don’t use yahoo anymore.

    I have turned a few of my old gmail accounts into spam mail trawlers as I “Gotta catch ’em all! ” and every time I have to make a temporary or single use account for a service I want to check out/try or I just foresee making only a single purchase I always use a gmail account+alias if they don’t have a guest checkout option. The old gmail accounts are checked quarterly on a if-I-remember basis but at least once a year.

    On first contact with any business, services or people I have never met in person I usually give a newer gmail address I check biweekly in case my forwarding filter missed something important.

    Moreover, I use gmail incoming mail rules to forward copies of important keywords and specific email address to my 2 professional (redundant) emails for which I enabled notification on my phone, main desktop and workplace.

    Gmail is so ubiquitous and well trusted that I can pretty much use it in any input forms for registration or verification. Their spam filter is also pretty good (not always) to skip/pre-filter obvious phishing and scam emails.

    Even though I have already moved away or avoided Google, Microsoft, Meta/Facebook, LinkedIn, Apple, TikTok, Wechat, Temu, PayPal, Sony, etc. I occasionally still have to indirectly deals with them on a limited case-by-case but specific situations.

    By excluding so many excellent email services they are inadvertently making sure that Gmail, Outlook and other allegedly “reputable” free emails services slowly become a junk/spam/marketing email dump that few would want to enable constant notification for and fewer would want to delve into and sift through daily.

    Sorry, this became a long rambling rant about all the layer of protections I have to use nowadays to just avoid wasting energy and attention on the profusion of spam/useless emails.