This makes me 😭
UPDATE: Thanks @[email protected] for this update: The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense. But it appears the OP wants to still talk with maintainer privately about it.
Am I the one one thinking this post is blowing the topic way out of proportion?
The post title is clickbait in its purest form: nothing is being blocked (from what even). There is a single issue raised on some obscure filter list… This has no consequences whatsoever. I am wondering why Protonmail even bothers to comment on this issue…
Admittedly the title is pretty sensationalist. The repo activity seems to indicate that the project has some users. It’s impossible to know how many sites or which sites block emails contained in this list and what the impact might be. Even though I think the 7c/fakefilter project is inane, I would hesitate to say there would be no consequences at all.
It’s best to defend legitimate email providers whenever possible. If we don’t, those with an axe to grind get to define the provider’s reputation.
The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense.
Hilariously, the issue creator still hasn’t given up and is now trying to communicate with the maintainer privately. 🙃
I’d really want to know what’s driving them. Surely no sane person would be this persistent without some ulterior motives?
I’d really want to know what’s driving them
likely ego
But did they add addy.io?
If a website won’t allow me to register with my protonmail , I will just not used that website.
Yep.
I’ve already run into a few. I mentally thank them for preventing me from wasting my time and money with them.
And since people won’t use the website, the website won’t use the list. So the list would be useless.
The maintainer seems to have followed the same interpretation, weighing legitimate use against spam use. This is the official response to the issue as of 8h ago:Dear Contributors,
We value your suggestions for expanding our list of disposable email providers. Your input is crucial in enhancing our tool’s capabilities.
Decision on Gmail and ProtonMail Inclusion
After thorough evaluation, we have resolved not to include Gmail and ProtonMail in our list. Our rationale is based on the following technical and operational considerations:
1. **Reputation and Reliability** * **Gmail and ProtonMail**: Established, reputable providers with a high trust level for personal and professional communication. * **Distinction**: Unlike typical disposable email services, they offer long-term, reliable email solutions. 2. **Active Abuse and Spam Prevention Mechanisms** * **Effective Systems**: Both providers have robust mechanisms to detect and mitigate abuse and spam. * **Proactive Monitoring**: Ensures a secure email environment, reducing the prevalence of malicious activities. 3. **Commercial Intent of Typical Disposable Email Providers** * **Focus**: Targeting providers driven by ad revenue, facilitating spam/abuse. * **Gmail and ProtonMail's Model**: User-centric, not primarily ad-driven. 4. **Domain Limitations** * **Effectiveness**: Limited domain offerings by Gmail and ProtonMail make them less susceptible to misuse. * **Strategy**: Focusing on providers with extensive, rotating domain lists for more impactful filtering. 5. **Individual User Accountability** * **Accountability Measures**: Both services have mechanisms to penalize users violating terms, decreasing misuse risks.
Summary and Next Steps
Including Gmail and ProtonMail does not align with our criteria for identifying disposable email services. Our aim is to target services significantly contributing to online spam and abuse, without impacting legitimate email services. We have reviewed your list and agree on adding some providers, like internxt.com (Reference). We will also incorporate the obvious choices from the tail of your list. We apologize for the delay in addressing this issue but intend to promptly resolve it by focusing on the most impactful additions.
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Same. That said, sometimes it’s a config error. I sent a very annoyed email to a website that didn’t work on Firefox, only for them to tell me that it was a bug and that they fixed it.
Simple as, if they don’t even support e-mail it’s surely a rather shite site.
The closed garden corpo-approved electronic message service the github issue is talking about simply won’t do.
Power Users: Block all emails that aren’t Gmail or Outlook!
Also Power Users: Why are Google and Microsoft monopolies!?
That was a fun read.
The one who opened an issue is either 13 years old and dumb as a log or a troll (also dumb as a log) and this project is barely used, like at all
So please, don’t give them attention
That comment chain was utterly hilarious. The OP practically wanted to block every email provider in existence.
You know because you can create spam from practically every provider. I guess it’s good that this kind of idiocy is hashed out rather than just being implemented blindly with a pull request.
Stop all spam with this one simple
trickfilter! All spam emails contain ‘@’, therefore all emails containing ‘@’ are spam and will be blocked
You cannot even make it past the half-way mark of the OP to realize that the creator has no idea what they are talking about.
Something interesting I learnt about the generated gmail accounts is that they either contain + or an excessive amount of dots, 2 very odd patterns in real, legitimate email accounts. I was able to reliably detect at least 3 or 4 dots in the email itself when it’s using the dotted variation.
Continuing the discussion, the fact that they are so defensive and immediately hide behind moral high ground when someone calls out their mental gymnastics out for the bullshit they are, makes me believe that they are a troll. A child would lose interest after getting so many negative responses.
The behavior you see from the creator is close to a troll tactic called “sealioning”. While refusing to give their own claims any plausible proof (they constantly talk about “tests” they’ve run without any specification thereof), they request elucidation or sources for any contraindicating claims (here in the form of discussions which are held off-platform, e.g. on Discord), but fail to engage with any proof of the contrary (refusing to take protonmail and several other legitimate providers off the list even after talking to the literal CTO) while just reiterating their standpoint over and over again.
All the while, they pretend to discuss sincerely and are always polite and superficially receptive to counterclaims. This is key to their general strategy of eroding a victim’s patience and exhaust their attention. One of two outcomes generally occur:
a) The victim snaps. In this case the troll will claim moral high ground and garner sympathy from 3rd-party observers because of fickle reasons like “there is no reason to insult somebody on the internet”.
b) The victim leaves in order to not appear unreasonable. On a public platform, like a thread, many observers will then grant the “victory” to the troll because their stand point seems strong and counterclaims seem indefensible. This is the ultimate goal of the troll and what makes it dangerous.
Just reminds me of an idiot PM we had who after realizing you could do the + thing on Gmail addresses made the devs block it, then didn’t understand why qa and anyone else testing using those types of email accounts got mad when no one could get in or create new accounts
Thanks for adding an update to your post OP. Good to know cool heads prevailed!
Truly a sad day for poppy heads
If that’s the case, they should also block Gmail.
Do keep in mind, it seems like protonmail is considered a whitelisted domain in the eyes of lead that’s running that project. I say this because if you go under the issues page of it and then select the whitelist issue which is the issue that he uses to keep track of every domain that will not be blacklisted, protonmail appears there. That being said the others don’t appear.
Can someone please explain to me why they can’t create the account even if it is used as disposable? Storing one text file with the login on their side does not cost much storage at all.
Because they want to sell it and spam it.
Based on this other issue by the same user, I think there’s no cause for concern that the dev will actually blacklist PM/SL: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/69
Anyone working with GitHub probably knows that it’d be lunacy to just act upon every issue/PR that people come up with.
Looks like someone noticed the PR and panicked. Then people someone crossposted here and people picked up the pitchforks a bit too early.
🔱🔱🔱 who are we going up against today 😄
Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it’s needed to block them. It’s like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more. I do hope they won’t cloud your judgement @7c , as these services are used for temp emails by all definitions. If you have any questions you may always ask me from the conversation we have started :)
Shit like this is what makes me want to pull my hair out at night
Yea, I guess it’s impossible to make burner gmail accounts too…
A whole new account? gasp
Yeah, that’s obviously impossible because that would require you to pick a different username.
This happens to me occasionally already as a paid Fastmail user. I switched from Gmail about a year ago and I can’t change my existing Yahoo account to use Fastmail.
I get it, we deal with fraud and abuse from throwaway emails all day at work, but it is frustrating for sure.
Hmm worrying. I switched to Fastmail too and use a lot of their ‘masked emails’. No problems so far, touch wood
Why does anyone care? The npm package has 3,712 weekly downloads. They’re trying to act like it’s some mainstream package that a lot of companies rely on, but nobody uses it…
I’m tired of watching bad ideas grow into industry standards.
Fair point.
this is someone probably <13
“RobloxPianoAutoplayer” “Anime-Clicker-Simulator-GUI”
what??
also their “Guardian V2” repo
Q: What is Guardian V2?
A: Guardian V2 is a side project of mine. Its purpose is to protect users from game/user-made malicious functions/scripts. It is highly customizeable
jeepers weepers man isn’t it so cool to have their anti-cheat so customizeable??
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holy shit really? looks like there’s hope after all