• kemsat@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    I honestly think those people think that dissent is a sign that they are doing what’s right. That’s why they invented the term “social justice warrior,” when in most places that’s just how society works: by holding people accountable.

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      14 hours ago

      That’s why they invented the term “social justice warrior,

      That term is out of date. They call them “woke mafia” now

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      16 hours ago

      I don’t really care what they think. If that’s the hill they want to die on, then let them fucking die.

      The point of dissenting isn’t to convince them. It is to stand in their way and say “you’re gonna quit this bullshit or we are gonna fucking make you.”

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        13 hours ago

        Absolutely agree. Just saying that they get fired up by it, instead of (edit: no idea how it became “or” because I meant instead of) discouraged.

        It might be smarter for us to use different methods.

        The biggest offense to them is to be ignored. At least that’s what I’ve noticed.

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          15 hours ago

          “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented”. —Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and famous author

          The issue with ignoring them is they, as well as those being targeted by the oppressive rhetoric, will take the silence as tacit approval. Those who espouse it will be encouraged to further push boundaries of what is tolerable while the victims will be made to feel unsafe existing in public.

          This is the point of the “Nazi Bar” story where you kick people out at the first sign of it 'cause, if you don’t and just ignore them, they’ll soon begin to bring all their friends who espouse much worse rhetoric and, soon after that, suddenly you find yourself running the local Nazi Bar as they made everyone else feel unsafe and ran them off, which was their goal from the beginning.

          I don’t want them to succeed in their goal.

          Yes, it might be effective in getting a rise out of them sometimes to ignore them to their face, but I don’t care about them or their reaction. I care about the people around us who have to listen and be made to feel unsafe existing in the community and to let those people know that there are others in the community who will stand up for them and be willing to put themselves at risk for their sake; to know with confidence that, when push comes to shove, we will stand beside them.

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            13 hours ago

            Ima be honest & say I didn’t read the whole thing.

            By ignore I meant to ignore their bullshit. It feels to me like too many people are drinking the koolaid & paying attention to their misdirections.

            We need to ignore their bullshit, and just act in response to their “clandestine” actions. Like, I’m sure the Trump vs Musk fight from like a week ago was a misdirection, and it got too much traction.

            That traction tells them that it’s effective to do that bullshit. We need to teach them otherwise.

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              13 hours ago

              Oh you mean the online topic shit the establishment keeps trying to force feed us. Yea, people need to stop biting that hook. It only legitimizes it like you said.

              When I read “ignore their bullshit” I thought you meant taking the Enlightened Centrist™ stance of “turn the other cheek and let them tire out. Don’t start a scene cause it will disturb everyone” type nonsense, as if what they spout isn’t disturbing in itself.