Israel ordered people out of swathes of the main southern city in the Gaza Strip on Monday (December 4) as it pressed its ground campaign deep into the south, sending desperate residents fleeing even as it dropped bombs on areas where it told them to go. Lucy Fielder has more.
I don’t get what happens in this comment section. Do we now support terrorists that was bombing Israel for years? If yes, do we also support nazi cause they also genocide jews? I’m so confuse :c
Is that hard? I mean sure the world might be more complicated but regardless of that the above seems like a very consistent and simple starting point of an opinion? It seems easier to start with “don’t bomb people” as a starting point than “don’t bomb some people” as a starting point.
That basically one thing. You can’t just “stop”, cause Palestinian civilians = Hamas. There a cult of people that supports killing jews, called islam, and most “civilians” into it. The one who was disagree - flee to nearby countries or died from hands of Hamas. How simple is that? You can’t just leave Hamas “as is”, cause they will simply start over again, by bombing jews, so, what your proposal? Kill all jews instead or help Hamas by gatekeeping Israel? There is no simple solution.
Also, when russia started genocide in Ukraine, everyone was against that, but when Hamas attacked Israel and did genocide of jews, everyone supports that. Fuck is that trickery?
Things that should be relatively non controversial:
There’s no simple solution.
Palestinian civilians is not equal to Hamas.
Hamas is a terror organisation
Israel army is currently exercising too much violence on Palestinians
Israel clearly has the military advantage.
More vague points:
That puts most of the responsibility of how the situation develops in Israel hands. They can’t change the minds of the Palestinians. But they have the power to minimise total harm. They should be able to keep a lower rate of casualties on the Palestinian side without significantly increasing casualties on the Israeli side? No?
Supporting Palestine and Palestinians is not the same as supporting Hamas. I can’t believe we have to keep repeating that.
You don’t need to repeat that, this statement will not be true cause of that anyway. Yes, supporting Palestinians same thing as supporting Hamas. Why? Cause when your wife was decapitated and under your house someone digging a tunnel to shot rockets in near country, you have a choice: alert foreigner government about future attack with profs that basically seen from your window or at least leave with you family, or do nothing and keep working and doing “business as usual” thing. Why regular russians was so easily blamed for war in ukraine, but people literally involved in genocide of jews in Israel = no? This double standarts is confusing. You can’t just say, that “palestinians civilians did nothing wrong” and then proceed with blaming russians about war in ukraine. Be consecutive! Palestinians murders is bad! Killing russians in Ukraine is bad! Genocide is good! Horay!
What you described there is a war crime: International humanitarian law posits that no person may be punished for acts that he or she did not commit.
Article 33 - Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage, reprisals
No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Pillage is prohibited.
Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.
Okay, let’s pretend we living in the world of Equestria with pinky ponies all around and Geneva Convention really works and stopping russians from torture civilians and cut their dicks in Bakhmut. Also, we need to pretend that Hamas joined as Geneva Convention member. So, how Geneva Conventions threat a man that claimed to be civilian but actively participates in combat?
An exception to this rule is the levée en masse, whereby the inhabitants of a country which has not yet been occupied, on the approach of the enemy, spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading troops without having time to form themselves into an armed force. Such persons are considered combatants if they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war (see commentary to Rule 106).
Jokes aside, again, as I said: everyone who wanted to leave is already flee. Not like you see how your neighborhood stoking up weapons and rockets to strike nearby country and be like “I’m sure that just to made fireworks!”. Do you think after russia invaded Ukraine, everyone just stayed at home and just ignored massacre on the streets? Nope sir, the one who was against that invasion just flee from occupied land, only one who couldn’t find strength to leave own home and the people, who praised invasion stayed that day. Well, both groups was tortured anyway, but that beside the point. My point is, there almost no “civilians” left. There combatans and some that described by Geneva Conventions as “non combatants”. But no civilians. Prove me wrong tho.
I don’t get what happens in this comment section. Do we now support terrorists that was bombing Israel for years? If yes, do we also support nazi cause they also genocide jews? I’m so confuse :c
Don’t bomb civilians. Don’t bomb Palestinians. Don’t bomb Israelis. Don’t kill children. Don’t kill. Don’t kidnap people.
Is that hard? I mean sure the world might be more complicated but regardless of that the above seems like a very consistent and simple starting point of an opinion? It seems easier to start with “don’t bomb people” as a starting point than “don’t bomb some people” as a starting point.
That basically one thing. You can’t just “stop”, cause Palestinian civilians = Hamas. There a cult of people that supports killing jews, called islam, and most “civilians” into it. The one who was disagree - flee to nearby countries or died from hands of Hamas. How simple is that? You can’t just leave Hamas “as is”, cause they will simply start over again, by bombing jews, so, what your proposal? Kill all jews instead or help Hamas by gatekeeping Israel? There is no simple solution. Also, when russia started genocide in Ukraine, everyone was against that, but when Hamas attacked Israel and did genocide of jews, everyone supports that. Fuck is that trickery?
Things that should be relatively non controversial:
There’s no simple solution.
Palestinian civilians is not equal to Hamas.
Hamas is a terror organisation
Israel army is currently exercising too much violence on Palestinians
Israel clearly has the military advantage.
More vague points:
That puts most of the responsibility of how the situation develops in Israel hands. They can’t change the minds of the Palestinians. But they have the power to minimise total harm. They should be able to keep a lower rate of casualties on the Palestinian side without significantly increasing casualties on the Israeli side? No?
So, okay, now there a video how Palestinians “civilians” gave up on resistance and hand over their weapons. Now what?
Also, about “too much violence on Palestinians”, you need to watch this first and claim that you will not do same. . NSFW
Nothing to be confused about.
Supporting Palestine and Palestinians is not the same as supporting Hamas. I can’t believe we have to keep repeating that.
The one and only party here that is ethnically cleansing the land and committing genocide is Israel, not Palestine.
It’s pretty simple really.
You don’t need to repeat that, this statement will not be true cause of that anyway. Yes, supporting Palestinians same thing as supporting Hamas. Why? Cause when your wife was decapitated and under your house someone digging a tunnel to shot rockets in near country, you have a choice: alert foreigner government about future attack with profs that basically seen from your window or at least leave with you family, or do nothing and keep working and doing “business as usual” thing. Why regular russians was so easily blamed for war in ukraine, but people literally involved in genocide of jews in Israel = no? This double standarts is confusing. You can’t just say, that “palestinians civilians did nothing wrong” and then proceed with blaming russians about war in ukraine. Be consecutive! Palestinians murders is bad! Killing russians in Ukraine is bad! Genocide is good! Horay!
What you described there is a war crime: International humanitarian law posits that no person may be punished for acts that he or she did not commit.
Source: Geneva Conventions (GCIV Art. 33).
Okay, let’s pretend we living in the world of Equestria with pinky ponies all around and Geneva Convention really works and stopping russians from torture civilians and cut their dicks in Bakhmut. Also, we need to pretend that Hamas joined as Geneva Convention member. So, how Geneva Conventions threat a man that claimed to be civilian but actively participates in combat?
Also, let’s see what Hamas should do about hostages:
Oh boy.
Jokes aside, again, as I said: everyone who wanted to leave is already flee. Not like you see how your neighborhood stoking up weapons and rockets to strike nearby country and be like “I’m sure that just to made fireworks!”. Do you think after russia invaded Ukraine, everyone just stayed at home and just ignored massacre on the streets? Nope sir, the one who was against that invasion just flee from occupied land, only one who couldn’t find strength to leave own home and the people, who praised invasion stayed that day. Well, both groups was tortured anyway, but that beside the point. My point is, there almost no “civilians” left. There combatans and some that described by Geneva Conventions as “non combatants”. But no civilians. Prove me wrong tho.