What irks me the most is the spinelessness of a lot of mods. Shadow banning and banning without an explanation just striffling free speech without acountability. Freedom of expression should not be subject to the whims of individuals!
If this gets me banned than you are worse than spez
make your own/move instances? isnt that the beauty of the fediverse?
It’s a non-solution. Self hosting doesn’t stop other instances from banning you.
Freedom of speech means that you won’t be jailed by the government for speaking your mind even when your position is not popular.
Freedom of speech does not mean that everyone gets to speak and be heard on any subject they desire to whoever they want. It also does not mean that everyone, or anyone, wants to hear it. Individuals are free to censor you as much as they want.
Interaction is a community effort with a social contract that everyone tries to behave within the bounds of the community rules. If you break those rules, even if for a good reason, it is not unreasonable for the community to object.
Your reply sounds like you disagree with me about something but I have no idea what.
No. I just felt like you did not understand how free speech and censorship worked.
Creating an instance so you have a platform to speak from is always an option, but other instances having the ability to block that instance is not a sign of it being broken. It means the system works as intended.
I haven’t said a word about free speech.
So in your mind, other places must give you a platform. What a nonsense.
Personally, I feel it’s the proper job of a mod to decide what kind of a community they want to foster, establish their rules to reflect those goals, and enforce accordingly. Not every online space has to be a wild frontier allowing the worst of online behavior. Furthermore, any person who wants such a wild frontier community on reddit or here is certainly free to make that community. If enough people enjoy hanging out with that behavior, then your community will be a success. And THAT is actual freedom of speech: make your community the way you like it, and see how many other people want to hang out with you. I promise, if I visit your community, I won’t complain about being offended or aggravated.
Most of my experience with people complaining about lack of freedom of speech have tried to force their wild frontier self expressions onto spaces where civil speech is enforced or the topics to be discussed are tightly defined.
Probably the Lemmy users and the community mods? So, nothing different from Reddit.
As a recent mod of another community here on Lemmy, there seems to be a weird expectation that mods are there to protect posters from each other. “They called me an ignoramus! Ban them! Ban them now!” Like…yeah, abusive language should be banned…but mods shouldn’t be a poster’s way to play bait-and-whack-a-mole.
If Reddit mods had to deal with that shit, then I feel sorry for them.
Conversely, there is an expectation that mods are supposed to be impartial. They’re as human as any other poster, and dealing with antagonists day-in, day-out takes its toll. After a while, it’s just indiscriminate pattern recognition: a certain pattern warrants a ban every time without discussion.
For example, when you said this:
If this gets me banned than you are worse than spez
Did you look at the rules before and ask, “How can this post get me banned?” If so, then you obviously didn’t need to include this line. If you didn’t, then you shouldn’t have posted in the first place.
If users want a particular type of community, then users should act in a way to facilitate it. Mods alone can’t do that. Mods, at most, can define and enforce the limits of what’s acceptable. But if posters routinely act in unacceptable ways, then they shouldn’t get mad when mods routinely enforce those limits.
Try hanging out in philosophy-focused spaces, some of them are pretty close to the “civil discussions on hard topics with moderation good enough to toss out manipulators and build everyone else up” sweet spot I’m always searching for
Please give actual examples of what was silenced.
Also what is your definition of freedom of speech?
Do you understand that freedom of speech is a legal, very explicitly defined thing?
I think many of us are struggling to understand your gripe because we either don’t see it or have shifted away from it here. Or our home instances have defederated the problem.
Do you have an example to help us out?
All bans on lemmy are shadow bans because you will not be notified about it. Only way to find out is to go looking for your name in the modlog.
You can host your own instance to share your opinions.
Still don’t expect other instances for allowing content they don’t want to be federated with, so you might have where to say something but it might not reach everyone.Freedom of expression should not be subject to the whims of individuals!
Are you saying it should be without limitation?
Insults, hate speech, lies, prejudice, riling up conflict and hate? Ad spam and off topic?
If you got banned a lot of Reddit, the problem might be you.
There were some dubious moderators, but I tended to stick to subs where i share values with the sub and the mods and things were pretty decent. If they hadn’t torpedoed mobile apps I probably would have stuck around.
In contrast, Lemmy seems to be very lightly moderated across the board, probably because moderating is a crap load of work.
Agreed on all points. I loved Reddit and had a long lived account with a decent amount of comment karma. I dropped it cold turkey when the API change happened.
Never had any real run ins with mods even though I had arguments with other users pretty regularly. I acted in good faith and tried to be helpful as much as possible.
Most subreddits were fine. If you got banned all over the place, it says more about you than it does Reddit.
Edit: regarding the light moderation on Lemmy, I think some of that is just because there’s less content here spread across a lot more places. Most communities are pretty sparse.
