Refaat Alareer, the teacher and writer who had shared the hardships of war with EL PAÍS, was killed along with six family members in an Israeli attack

  • Nobody@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    77
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    11 months ago

    They are sending Gaza back a hundred years,” and argued that the international community is “complicit” in the “extermination” being carried out by Israel

    So very true. We’re reacting to the present destruction of Gaza and asking for a ceasefire.

    What does the future look like in Gaza? Any financial commitments to rebuild? Even when the bombings finally stop, how does Gaza survive?

    • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      If it goes well, like Japan, West Germany or Finland after WW2. If it goes less well, like Cambodia around Vietnam War.

      • sirboozebum@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        11 months ago

        I get your point but right now, Vietnam is rapidly developing economy.

        Many companies are moving their manufacturing from China to Vietnam.

      • giggling_engine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        26
        ·
        11 months ago

        Germans and Japanese are hard working people who value life over petty revenge. It’s up to the Gazans more than anything.

        • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          Germans and Japanese are hard working people who value life over petty revenge.

          WW2 was mostly fought because Germans wanted revenge for WW1, though.

          It’s up to the Gazans more than anything.

          I’d say a lot of it is up to the gazans, but honestly the occupying force needs to show benevolence and support after their victory too.

    • idiocracy@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      17
      ·
      11 months ago

      good question, and there are no solutions yet. one thing for sure is israel will not accept hamas existance anymore, nor should anyone with a working moral compass.

      • fosho@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        seen as how it’s abundantly clear that the Israeli govt is also an incredibly terroristic institution, no one with a moral compass should accept their existence either, right?

      • fastandcurious@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        one thing for sure is the world should not accept IDFs and Netanyahus existence anymore, nor should anyone with a working moral compass.

        Also username checks out

        Hamas sucks so let’s bomb a buch of children

  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    43
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    11 months ago

    Alareer, a literature professor with the Islamic University of Gaza, warned us a month ago about how Israel is using “hunger as a weapon of war.” The Gaza Strip is facing major hunger issues as it enters the third month of the war instigated by the October 7 Hamas attack that killed 1,200 people in Israel. “The people of Gaza are dying of hunger,” said Alareer. “We have very little food or water due to Israel’s blockade. This is a systematic extermination – the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza. It’s a continuation of the Israeli ethnic cleansing that started over 75 years ago,” referring to the creation of the Israeli state in 1948.

    A systematic extermination and an ethnic cleansing supported and facilitated by the USA.

  • Lath@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    42
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    11 months ago

    War is funny.
    WWI started because everyone had to respect their treaties and join their allies into war.
    Then WWII started because countries didn’t join together from the start.

    So, even if we learn from our past mistakes and avoid making them, with war, we can only do worse the next time.

  • ChiwaWithMujicanoHat@mujico.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    arrow-down
    25
    ·
    11 months ago

    I saw the article mentioned he had defended the Oct 7 attack so after some googling:

    Soon after the 7 October Hamas attack – which killed about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, with about 240 kidnapped – Alareer caused outrage during a BBC interview by calling it “legitimate and moral” and “exactly like the Warsaw ghetto uprising”, the broadcaster said.

    Yikes. Defending oct 7 was pretty fucked up move on his behalf but what Israel keeps doing is arguably worse. Both Hamas and Israel leadership need to be removed from this world…

    • Jamil@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      11 months ago

      What Israel is doing is worse, yet most world leaders are justifying Israel’s actions. Nobody seems to be condemning these political slimeballs. It seems that Hamas, a violent liberation movement is being held to a higher standard than nation states.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      edit-2
      11 months ago

      Words don’t justify a death sentence. This is the same bullshit reasoning that gets trotted out by bootlickers every time a cop murders a black person in the US. There’s a mad scramble to find the worst thing the victim ever did and claim that makes their murder ok.

      • Akisamb@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        11 months ago

        I mean yes in the sense that the capture of civilians has a clear military objective. Doesn’t make it less awful.

        One genocidal state doesn’t justify another one. There are no good guys in this conflict. That said one side has more bombs than the other so we should be focusing on that side. But please, no justifying war crimes.

      • ???@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        I think many find it hard to believe Israel now. The Hamas side of the story is that Hamas were good to the hostages (and we have testimonies for that), and that many attacks were done by Gazan civilians who followed the fighters who broke down the fence, and indeed the video of Shani, the German Israeli, showed non-combatants parading her naked, not Hamas fighters.

        Probably in a different narrative, Hamas performed a justified military operation to take hostages to free their own prisoners (whom we know are illegally detained by Israel without a charge and living through hell and torture in Israel prisons, at young ages). So far, it looks justied. Add to that all the evidence we have showing that many people on October 7th, especially those burned, were killed by IDF that was acting as though on steroids. I would be naive to assume no rape happened, but Israel’s evidence for “systemic rape as a war tactic” is extremely flimsy. Israel killed its own people and is now milking their dead bodies for PR to justify a genocide.

        That being said, no documented crimes can be denied. A Hamas fighter throwing a grenade into a safe room full for people - there is footage of that.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          11 months ago

          that being said, no documented crimes can be denied. A Hamas fighter throwing a grenade into a safe room full for people - there is footage of that.

          Yeah. That guy should probably be hung.

          • ???@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            11 months ago

            If only executions reduced or prevented overall crime and violence…

          • prole@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            11 months ago

            That guy should probably be hung.

            What’s the size of his cock have to do with it?

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    arrow-down
    60
    ·
    11 months ago

    And the Dems are already saying they’re gonna vote for Genocide Joe again…

    Hold your nose, close your eyes, turn off your brain and vote everyone!

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        arrow-down
        33
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        They tell you not to support apartheid and genocide. Very difficult thing to understand indeed.

        Biden just vetoed the ceasefire.

        • prole@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          11 months ago

          Biden just vetoed the ceasefire.

          Do you think Biden is in command of Israel’s military?

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            12
            ·
            11 months ago

            Of course not. Israel is in charge of America’s military.

            Also if Biden voted yes then the genocide would have immediately ended.

        • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          A lot of countries voted no or abstained that ceasefire declaration, for good reasons.

          The U.S. had offered substantial amendments to the draft, including a condemnation of the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks that Israel says killed 1,200 people and in which 240 people were taken hostage.

          Britain’s U.N. Ambassador Barbara Woodward said her country abstained because there was no condemnation of Hamas.

          “Israel needs to be able to address the threat posed by Hamas and it needs to do so in a manner that abides by international humanitarian law so that such an attack can never be carried out again,” she told the council.

          None of these changes were made. So by some kind of logic, not condeming Hamas is more important than a humanitarian ceasefire. This is an amazing stance for an organization whose primary goal is supposed to be to work for peace on this planet.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            9
            ·
            edit-2
            11 months ago

            You already forgot America pulling this same shit at the beginning of the genocide, and then a new resolution being introduced WITH condemnation for Hamas and America still vetoed it?

            https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-us-vetoes-un-resolution-on-israel-hamas-war

            America would still vote no if the bill was changed to condemn Hamas. Just quit your hypocrisy this same bullshit isn’t gonna work twice.

            • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              11 months ago

              How does the timeline go here? The news article is dated 2023-10-18, but this latest vote was last friday, 2023-12-08. Why didn’t this latest one have condemnation of Hamas in it if a previous one did?

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                Because the UN realized this was just for show and it isn’t worth including and they would have to condemn israel too if they condemned Hamas.

                America is going to veto it anyways that’s the point. Trying to suck up to America is pointless.

    • hark@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      32
      ·
      11 months ago

      “At least he’s not trump” is their only response and democrats worked hard to promote fascists like him to make sure that was the only response they’ll ever need.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        18
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        “At least he’s not trump” is their only response

        When it’s a binary choice like that, then there’s only one option.

        • yuriy@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          15
          ·
          11 months ago

          Almost like a two party political system is intrinsically limited to a “lesser of two evils” situation every single fucking time. Whacky.

          • Doubletwist@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            11 months ago

            Well, like it or not, that’s the system we have right now, and so long as it is, by the time the main election comes around, the only options are a) violent overthrow, b) abstain from voting, or c) vote for the least bad option presented.

            I don’t think we’re quite to the point yet where violent overthrow is necessary or justified.

            Abstaining just means you accept whatever the outcome is, and thus have no leg to stand on when you don’t like the outcome.

            In my mind that leaves option c as the only valid option, with the added requirement of working in between elections towards pushing for changes in the voting system.

            I don’t pretend to be a fan of Biden. But despite his shortcomings, he’s still a damn sight better than Trump or RFK Jr. And nobody else running has a snowball’s chance in hell, and most of them are crackpots anyway. So until such a time as we have better options, I will continue to vote for the least bad option.