• Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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    You can claim that your house or property is worth as much as you want

    No, you can’t. If you knowingly and grossly lie on paperwork that’s called fraud. Why the hell would that be legal?

    The fact that most people try to sneak 10% is entirely different from ballooning things by 600% and intentionally lying about the reasons.

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      So if you list your house for more than its worth on zillow is that fraud? Who is harmed by claiming you house is worht 600% more (which he didnt actually do but is perfectly fine)?

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        Obviously, a loan provider is harmed. Interest rates are calculated based on the radio of debt to assets. If you put a 10k mortgage on a 500k asset, you’re paying far less interest than if you take a 450k mortgage on the same.

        That’s such a basic question, anyone who is into real estate shouldn’t have to ask this.

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          7 months ago

          Are you aware that mortgage companies do their own due diligence to determine the value of the property? Do you know what the underwriting process is?

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            Just so we’re clear, your excuse for fraud is “but the other party has to check it too?”

            Buddy, where do you think half the evidence is from?

            You can read the decision for yourself. I don’t need to defend the judge. https://www.scribd.com/document/706231478/452564-2022-People-of-the-State-of-v-People-of-the-State-of-Decision-After-Trial-1688#1fullscreen=1

            For the explanation or damages, check the expert witnesses especially.

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              So then its fraud to claim or believe that your property is worth more than it is?

              I am just explaining how the process works. Its like if I am selling a car and claim its worth $20k, its up to the buyer to agree or disagree, its not fraud for me to claim its worth $20k and the kbb value is $10k.

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                Look, you obviously haven’t even briefly looked into the case if you’re saying “it’s just someones opinion”, or that might be what fox news is saying.

                I buy a Ferrari that can go 400mph and is worth 10 million because of it. But then I have a limiter installed that caps it speed at 90mph. Then I go to an accountant and say “hey, could you value the Ferrari I bought?”, and they say “based on the info you gave us, we say it’s worth 10,120,000”.

                Then I go to the bank and say “hey bank, could you loan me a million bucks, and if I don’t pay you back, you can have this car that independent accounts say is worth 10,120,00”. The bank agree, charging you all of 0.5% interest, because you agreed to give them a car worth 10 times the loan.

                But because of the limiter you had installed, the actual value is more like 430,000, because it can’t do what you claimed. So you intentionally lied to the accountant, and took that false info to a bank with the express purpose of benefiting financially of off those lies.

                And you then repeat this by asking for a valuation of a 30,000 square foot apartment, which is actually only 11,000 square foot, and going to a different bank with another fake valuation.

                And you just keep doing it, over and over.

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                  7 months ago

                  So the one things you claim he lied about was the size of the apartment, which is misleading because of how you calculate square footage. The value is in the property not the building. But again, the bank verifies what you are saying, they will literally send someone there to look at everything, its part of the underwriting. Can you show me where they bank said they were defrauded?

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                    So the one things you claim he lied about was the size of the apartment, which is misleading because of how you calculate square footage.

                    From the documents you didn’t read:

                    in opposition, defendants absurdly suggest that the calculation of square footage is a subjective process that could lead to differing results or opinions based on the method employed to conduct the calculation . NYSCEF Doc . No. 1293 at 20. Well yes , perhaps , if the area is rounded or oddly shaped, itis possible measurements of square footage could come to slightly differing results due to user error . Good-faith measurements could vary by as much as 10-20% , not 200%

                    Seriously, if you didn’t look at the documents, I’m not going to copy paste it piecemeal. The court wrote it all down in very clear language.