• Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    You mean your bullshit screed hating on public rail and showing your anti-homeless brainworms where you literally implied that “people don’t hate them enough”?

    Also “boo hoo the ‘tankies’ (whatever that even means to you libs anymore) bullied me for supporting violence against some of the most vulnerable people in the imperial core”

    lmao You have been complaining about this for FIVE DAYS holy shit.

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      I love public rail and took it all over the place when I visited Japan, I even still have the JR Pass ticket in my wallet. If I had one public transportation wish for LA it’s that every freeway have a light rail line like in the 105. As for the homeless situation I am all in for fully funded housing first initiatives and think we haven’t done anywhere near enough for them. That said, the unfortunate state of events between the LA Metro and the city’s homeless allows for some very problematic things to happen in light rail train cars especially during transit. I’ve seen quite a bit of drug use, littering, and even an instance when I had a taser brandished at my face only to find out a second later the guy was trying to sell it to me. I really wish people wouldn’t react so quickly to a post and start accusing them of being some kind of monster.

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        Oh it’s YOU!

        Hahahahahahaha

        Holy shit lmao, you’re still on this?

        It’s like driving past someone waving around an end of days convert or die sign, and then hours later passing by the same spot and they’re still there

        Go eat some grass nerd

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        “they certainly don’t hate them enough to chase them away when they are smoking meth on the train” sounds kinda like you think that should be done and that the issue is people not hating the unhoused enough.

        Especially when you come into a space that explicitly advocates for abolishing landlords and start saying that stuff, you should expect ridicule. Instead of complaining about it in other spaces for 5 days and repeatedly doubling down you could just do some very basic self-crit.

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          So whats your plan other then just let them smoke meth and steal from people obviously something needs to be done but putting your head in the sand and pretending there isn’t actually a problem won’t fix anything

          • A socialist state where housing is a guarantee and where poverty doesn’t lead to widespread drug use because it doesn’t exist. Also addiction recovery programs in the transitional state.

            Why. What is yours, push them into a comically large blender? Or a prison, how about a prison?

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              Sure where people have wings and cancer doesn’t exist yes the communist state is so great you choose to live in the west

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                For as much as the news talks about a declining birth rate, you are aware that people are still born in the west, right?

                “Move”

                You knowing moving isn’t free and it isn’t easy for most people to get a job in a country whose language they don’t speak, right?

                Furthermore, even if someone does move, then you don’t take it as proof they are a hypocrite but rather proof they are delusional, so your original claims is just bad faith bullshit.

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                  Well apparently everything is free in the communist utopia of china I’m sure you will do ok as a white dude with no money in china

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                  Right the millions of poor rural Chinese living below the poverty line don’t exist sure if you pretend that the problem doesn’t exist it makes it easier to believe the ccp propaganda

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                Bruh do you have any idea how quickly I and so many other people here would pack our bags and move to China if we had the chance

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          Now I am not going to take the anti homeless side here but you did claim they were lying about living in LA for not using a local term for train.

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            I’m not the one that made this post but it would track with the general reddit-like nature of their other comments. It sounds like a very common thing I hear from reactionaries IRL that are clearly made-up or are hyperfixating on a hypothetical or outlier incident instead of just understanding that is not a failure of trains. Like the whole context was “sometimes trains aren’t good actually because I saw a mentally unwell person I have no proof is actually homeless.” Not all unhoused people look like the caricature most people have in their head, and not everyone that does drugs in public on a train is actually unhoused, though the latter is certainly a more reasonable assumption to make. The combinations of all these characteristics of this person it was clear they were engaging in bad faith at best, and outright lying at worst. I am not making a judgement either way but it is a specific sort of reactionary thinking that is encountered all too often in online communist spaces, and so it’s no surprise when people have short patience with this sort of thing.

            If you’ve seen it enough you tend to get a sense for this time of debatebro and it’s rare that it’s a simple well-meaning misunderstanding because if it were it is very easy to have some humility. It’s the getting all offended by people laughing at something that is a textbook reactionary response, in a place where bullying libs and reactionaries is a pillar of its community culture. Furthermore going around other instances and complaining about said community sort of makes you fair game and I would not call it brigading, especially in a “what are instances you hate” thread, wherein the User compared us to right wingers. Which is itself a very tired very old trope known as “horseshoe theory”. And last but not least there is the term Tankie which is most often used to imply people on the imperial periphery or global south seeking national liberation are following a problematic ideology (because often the word gets used to refer to anyone left of Bernie Sanders on foreign policy a "tankie), which has deeply white supremacist or western chauvinist connotations.

            So in short, does it really matter whether they live in LA or not? They certainly have a colonizer’s mindset with regard to their local community even if they claim to be for “paying for more social services.” That is like the core reason why social democracy and liberalism are derided as fascism lite by most communists.

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              You sure got a lot of context out of “they certainly don’t hate them enough to chase them away when they are smoking meth on the train”. I don’t think that was a great thing to say (not that it is not an issue and needs to be addressed) but instead of even trying some level of communication or rebuttal it seems like everyone just went full “reactionary” on them.

              There is no “sense for this time of debatebro” or ability to see enough text to pull from that one sentence a sentence of endless fascism (or whatever problematic box). They have every right to get upset and go around other instances, because yours banned them. I have not seen a lot of humility here from anyone involved but what gets me is that some people think they get all the rights but others don’t.

              Yes it does matter whether they live in LA or not as in one case they could be relating an actual experience they had and the other would be them spinning a web. In once case you could do some good and engage and for the other prove they where wrong and acting in bad faith.

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                Thank you for being a voice of reason MooPoo. I apologize if my original comment came off as callous and insensitive. I heavily sympathize with the plight of the homeless and my only problem is with those who can be a danger to themselves or others, especially in an enclosed area like a train. TBH I sympathize with ideologies that are beyond left of the American Overton window since I’m quite familiar with what Western countries have done to suppress them. Thanks for pointing out how they were the ones being reactionary without so much as giving a warning before the ban.

                Nakoichi, I don’t expect you to unban me from your community but I hope we can at least understand each other enough to not see us as enemies.

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                  You’re still sort of dodging the crux of the issue, you continue to place blame on the oppressed rather than engage with our comments and begin to grasp why the ultimate onus of responsibility lies on the oppressing classes. Let’s not get too derailed here (pun intended) from the original context: Your comments were a critique of public transit, followed by trying to back up that critique with a personal anecdote of a time you felt threatened by a homeless person. The responses to this barely surface level take that indicated influence by a deluge of reactionary propaganda were not out of line to make uncharitable assumptions about you, since we have had a large influx of bad faith arguments along these lines since federating.

                  I am not the one that banned you, and you’re right it’s not even in my power since I am not a mod of c/urbanism, but it should be a point of self reflection on why that is the route you took instead of being indignant about it. You’re the one that came into our instance and you might not understand what our rules fully entail or what reactionary behavior is but that’s not really our fault, I gave you a detailed breakdown of the reasons folks that post like this get banned so quickly and you might read it if you care as much as you appear to.

                  Hell you can still post on Hexbear if you aren’t site banned but you might try to start by asking good faith questions without preloading them with personal grievances. Or you can ask me, I’m pretty patient when I have reason to believe the inquirer is acting in good faith.

                  That said just be aware that civility is often reserved for people that have proven the latter so given prior engagement, just don’t expect people not to dunk on you for an exceptionally bad take. Ignorance is not always a good excuse.

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    I experience the opposite. Whenever I criticise US government, I get attacked by hordes of cringy Americans.

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      I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.

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        For the majority of Americans, as long as you are a pleasant person, you will have pleasant conversations, even if it’s about a disagreement.

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          A. This leads to politeness fetishists and tone policing. If someone says something offensive like “we should remove LGBT+ books from schools,” I’d rather shoot myself than speak nicely to that person.

          B. This has not been my experience with my fellow Americans at all. I even saw a mod from lemmy.world post mod-flaired horseshit in their politics community about how “The US is not a racist country.” Fuck that.

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      Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.

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    it looks like the only comments of yours that were removed were for making inflammatory comments about homeless people on public transport in a place you don’t live.

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      Dude I was speaking from experience in that post. I live there and took the train daily. Do I need to show you my LA Metro card to prove it?

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        Post your credit card number and DLN while you’re at it.

        So a mod didn’t like a comment you made which was interpreted as encouraging anti-homeless hate. Instead of just moving on you decided to make this about “tankies” despite no one saying anything about Marxist ideology, China, or anything related. I think you’re just looking to pick a fight with us because we’re dirty pinko commies or something.

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          I love that y’all use that as an insult. It only carries any weight in your own echo chamber, you know that right? No where else on the planet (be it a forum or a physical space) does that mean anything. Well, maybe within north korea

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            If “on the planet” you mean primarily the U.S and secondarily the rest of the “west” while excluding the majority of humanity on the planet, then sure.

            You’re so brainwashed and conditioned into believing you have more in common with some ghoul billionaire that values your life insofar as much as they can extract wealth out of you than your own fellow worker.

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              Obligatory comment that brainwashing is a myth rooted in orientalism and later pseudoscience, propagated by the US in order to make excuses for US soldiers defecting during the Korean War (et al).

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              I mean everywhere that isn’t China or Russia or one of their satellites/annexes yeah.

              Not sure where you got the billionaire thing, I’ve never defended them, in word or action. (Living in a capitalist country and needing a job for resources doesn’t make me a billionaire apologist)

              Liberalism and billionaire worship are not the same thing, same as communism and xi are not the same thing.

              To be clear: just because xi figuratively leads a communist country doesn’t mean this policy is perfectly communist.

              Same thing goes for billionaires existing in a liberal society.

              Lastly, the existence of either doesn’t invalidate the tenets of either ideology

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                Xi is no different than any other billionaire shit head most of the communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses

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                  Xi first started geting so much hate from the west because he actually started purging communist party members for being too involved in the private sector. If he was encouraging the bourgeoisification of the CPC he would be hailed by the west.

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                  This is incoherent. Xi has administrative control (or influence) over state enterprises, but he isn’t getting profits or stock options from them, so there are no grounds for calling him a billionaire

                  communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses

                  This is like saying you became a police commissioner to gain control over local police cars. Yeah, an explicit part of your job is that you can direct them, but the claim is so tautological that it looks like you are saying something else. It’s not like Xi will retain control of these enterprises after he leaves office.

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            maybe within north korea

            Don’t worry, absolutely no one there is thinking about internet liberals, the DPRK lives rent-free in your head though xi pointing at the screen

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    OP: “public transport is bad because homeless people use it”

    Gets banned for classism

    OP: powercry-2 THE EVIL COMMUNISTS ARE REPRESSING ME!!

    [6 days later]

    OP (still going after 6 days): “THE EVIL TANKIE COMMIES WONT LET ME TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH I HATE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND ARE POLITICALLY REPRESSING ME!!”

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    It’s amazing the number of tankies and overall left-nuts I’ve found on here. Figures considering the kind of people that frequent FOSS spaces

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        Except that many of us, including myself, live reasonably comfortable lives under capitalism? It’s an extremely selfish position to be satisfied with a system that has done good things for you personally, but has ravaged the lives of countless others.

        It’s not about free stuff. It has never been about free stuff. It’s about the fact that a society is bad if it allows a minority population to get richer, without first ensuring that everyone’s basic human needs are satisfied.

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          No one is stopping you from supporting whoever you want. There is nothing moral about spending other people’s money to do charitable things. Millions have died under tyrannical bureaucracies that were built on the sentimate you’ve expressed here. Society has no business holding people down or propping others up. Live your life. Mind your business.

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      Found the tankie.

      Honestly What bullshit.

      Tankie is a slur for authoritarian communists.

      There is a healthy and honest way to appreciate communism, Russia, the CCP and even DPRK.

      And then there are people who are completely shilling the CCP Russia DPRK as communist uptopias. These people are tankies.

      If you are unable to recoginze the atrocities commited at any point in history, by the USA China, Russia , or any other country for that Matter. You’re a chump.

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      They were smoking meth. How safe would you feel around a stranger doing that while locked in a moving train car?

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        As safe as I would feel if a unicorn got on the train and started running around, which also didn’t happen.

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    Fuck tankies, get money

    fuck tankies, get money

    Fuck tankies, get money

    Fuck tankies, get money

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    Let’s do a little experiment:

    • Tankies are horrible
    • Nazi’s are horrible
    • The US is horrible
    • Russia is horrible
    • China is horrible
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      See what I’m going to do is I’m going to make the nazis look equally bad to all these other things. That way the nazi atrocities will look less problematic and I get to smear my enemies with a tainted term.

      No I’m not a nazi, why do you ask?

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            1. Is wasn’t mine

            2. You’re trying to hard to see what you want to see in order to sound morally superior for Internet high fives.

            It is clearly a half assed joke saying that if you call a group horrible, someone with get butt hurt and respond accordingly. Which in a round about way is exactly what you did. Any further reading into it is on you.

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              Just so you know, Nazis have used assertions exactly like what Zoldyck said literally since the day after the nazis were defeated.

              One name for it is “double genocide theory” which is used to a) diminish the crimes of the Nazis/ even to the extent of genocide denial and b) equate fascism and communism (an absolutely absurd claim, to be clear. Ask about it if you’re unaware!)

              This is not something we regularly go around doing, we are very careful with what stuff we call nazi shit. We’re careful not to make the word lose its meaning. This was an example of a common nazi/nazi-adjacent talking point, and we take it seriously when we encounter it.

              Its just like “Blue Lives Matter” is thinly veiled racism. other examples include 1488, the 14 words, ‘states rights’, etc.

              It is clearly a half assed joke

              They may have thought it was just a joke when saying it, but the intent doesn’t matter, because they may also have known what they were doing and did it on purpose, because they’re a nazi/ nazi adjacent.

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              When people say “anti-woke”, they actually mean that they are anti-doing anything about the awareness of systemic inequality that wokeness indicates. By definition, someone who is against change/progress is a conservative, so when someone says they are anti-woke, they are by definition expressing a conservative stance. That is, wanting to do something about systemic inequality is synonymous with having a progressive stance on systemic inequality.

              Being a tankie, on the other hand, is not synonymous with being a comunist. Tankies are just one form of communist (militant).

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                And when people say they are “anti-tankie”, they actually mean that they are anti doing anything about the awareness of systematic inequality that tankie indicates. By definition, someone who is against change/progress is a conservative, so when someone says they are anti-tankie, they are by definition expressing a conservative stance. That is, wanting to do something about systemic inequality is synonymous with having a progressive stance on systemic inequality.

                Being a tankie, on the other hand, is not synonymous with being a comunist. Tankies are just one form of communist (militant).

                Other way around: communists are just one form of tankies, the word is also used to refer to anarchists and some soc-dems.

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                  You’re spun around, flipped upside-down, and confused as can be.

                  Tankie is a term that specifically refers to one particular kind of communism; namely, the kind that supports authoritarian regimes that try to impose communism through the use of force to repress dissent.

                  You can be a communist and not be a tankie. You cannot be against progress and be a progressive.

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              Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism (as well the ideologies that derived from it such as Maoism). But there are communist ideologies that don’t derive from ML such as Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.

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                Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism

                no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.

                Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.

                Oh cool, which societies use those?

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                  no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.

                  Why are you letting libs define everything? You and I both know they’re dumbasses and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

                  Oh cool, which societies use those?

                  Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.