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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago

Waiting For the Fall

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Waiting For the Fall

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • marcuse1w@lemmy.ml
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    What do you hope comes after it ?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

      • icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works
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        No ofense but…

        LoL.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          Laugh while you can.

      • trailing9@lemmy.ml
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        You can have cooperatives right now.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can’t do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

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            Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don’t bother investing in coops. You’ve obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

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                No I haven’t.

                But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

                Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don’t issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    In Europe it’s the Autumn of Capitalism

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Unfortunately, it might also be the spring of fascism there.

      • MasterNerd@lemm.ee
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        People who downvoted you clearly aren’t paying attention to what’s happening in Italy and Germany to a lesser extent

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          As a German, I agree

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