Cool. I might watch it now lol. Getting confirmation by a showrunner that a series will get to complete the overarching story they had planned is like a huge green light for me to check out a show I missed the train on earlier.
Turned into a sitcom with how they kept coming up with excuses to not kill off key characters each season. Only thing keeping it from seeming generic was the gore to make it seem more “mature and edgy”.
It’s pretty obvious to me that graymess was turned off by the gore part of the previous commenter’s statement and not the sitcom part so I’m not sure it matters to them how “excellent” it may or may not be…
My dude the gore in the show is toned down from the comic. It’s not trying to be edgy, it’s trying to make garth goddamn ennis palatable to more people.
Out of curiosity, was it the reference to the show “becoming a sitcom” or the one saying that they’d used “gore to make it seem mature and edgy” that turned you off? (or both)
Agree. First season was great, the rest was good but you could feel it lose the pacing and point as it moved further and further. Laughed my ass off at the Whale scene tho
Yeah first couple seasons felt like there were actual stakes, but longer series went on more it became apparent that the writers weren’t going to kill off certain characters and come up with reasons to have then avoid doing so. Last season was really bad in that department with the final episode.
Well, any time a show deviates from the original source as big and as soon as they did with this one, it’s going to end up being written by people that don’t really understand what made the show worth trying to make in the first place.
They essentially destroyed the character arcs at the end of season one.
So, you now have the second season being made with a totally different set of minds steering the story. Now, if they’d scrapped the original personalities, motivations, and arcs early in the first season, then done their own thing, the shift in all of that wouldn’t have been as jarring. I’m fine with deviating from source in theory, it’s about how well that’s done.
The boys did it very poorly, and it shows the most during the transition, which was around the middle of season two, which is when you mentioned. Frankly, the writers and producers didn’t know what they had. It made what was an amazing cast struggle to find their pace and personas.
I don’t think anyone considers Ennis some kind of master of his craft. He’s essentially an edge lord with a publisher.
But what he does well is consistent characters. Within any given work he’s done, as per the top as the characters can be, they have a certain “realness” in that they go through his stories with a sense of cohesion and usually make sense in any changes they go through.
Every show from his stuff so far has utterly ignored that, and thrown in utterly stupid changes to the story without changing the characters in a believable way. You can’t just throw Butcher a curve ball like at the end of season one and then try to keep him the same character, it just doesn’t work.
It really seems like the producers that have mined the Ennis body of work don’t really get it. All the edgelord crap is set dressing. The books have a character driven basis, with a central concept. If you fuck with those, you’re left with nothing other than the shock value at all, and that’s what happened to both the Preacher and the Boys. Both shows turned into shitty b-movie versions of their first season because nobody involved understood what made the originals interesting. They thought it was just the outrageousness of it all
The reason Ennis isn’t just a footnote in graphic storytelling is the way he throws absurdity and over-the-top shock value everywhere and makes characters that navigate it all. In the case of the Boys, the whole thing is about Hughie and how he tries to stay sane and human in the madness. Butcher is the foil to that, he personifies the madness, the way a human can be broken and turned into a caricature of themselves in the world of superheroes.
Cool. I might watch it now lol. Getting confirmation by a showrunner that a series will get to complete the overarching story they had planned is like a huge green light for me to check out a show I missed the train on earlier.
Especially since it feels like more things are getting canceled only two or three seasons in.
I think this will also help the show, as it was starting to go off the rails as they started to move further away from the source material.
Turned into a sitcom with how they kept coming up with excuses to not kill off key characters each season. Only thing keeping it from seeming generic was the gore to make it seem more “mature and edgy”.
OK, maybe I don’t need to watch it.
don’t listen to them, it’s excellent.
Even if you disagree it doesn’t make only your opinion the correct one. It’s opinions after all.
where did i say my opinion was the only correct one?
What does don’t listen to them mean.
it means “don’t miss out on a critically acclaimed, highly rated show just because this one person didn’t like it.”
It’s pretty obvious to me that graymess was turned off by the gore part of the previous commenter’s statement and not the sitcom part so I’m not sure it matters to them how “excellent” it may or may not be…
But, what do I know?
not obvious at all considering that was only part of the criticism and they did not specifically mention that’s why they won’t watch.
I said it was pretty obvious to me… Clearly you didn’t have the same understanding.
And you are wrong for thinking it was so obvious for the reasons i stated above. you jumped to your conclusion.
My dude the gore in the show is toned down from the comic. It’s not trying to be edgy, it’s trying to make garth goddamn ennis palatable to more people.
Which has nothing to do with my guess that it’s what turned the previous commenter off.
Thanks though.
Yeah I meant to reply to them. Whoops.
Out of curiosity, was it the reference to the show “becoming a sitcom” or the one saying that they’d used “gore to make it seem mature and edgy” that turned you off? (or both)
Neither are what I’m looking for in TV these days.
Fair … Me either really…
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It’s a good series. Id recommend watching
Pirate that shit so they don’t make any ad revenue from your viewing.
Ah, fuck, I forgot about that. I shelled out the extra $3 for ad free because I couldn’t be bothered for Fallout but, yeah, hoist the sails 🏴☠️
Bonus Points: The show runners don’t even have to worry about losing their job for next season!
And if you’ve already paid for Prime, make sure to use your free prime sub on twitch so some of that money goes to content creators.
First season and a half were ok. Then snorefest
Agree. First season was great, the rest was good but you could feel it lose the pacing and point as it moved further and further. Laughed my ass off at the Whale scene tho
Yeah first couple seasons felt like there were actual stakes, but longer series went on more it became apparent that the writers weren’t going to kill off certain characters and come up with reasons to have then avoid doing so. Last season was really bad in that department with the final episode.
Well, any time a show deviates from the original source as big and as soon as they did with this one, it’s going to end up being written by people that don’t really understand what made the show worth trying to make in the first place.
They essentially destroyed the character arcs at the end of season one.
So, you now have the second season being made with a totally different set of minds steering the story. Now, if they’d scrapped the original personalities, motivations, and arcs early in the first season, then done their own thing, the shift in all of that wouldn’t have been as jarring. I’m fine with deviating from source in theory, it’s about how well that’s done.
The boys did it very poorly, and it shows the most during the transition, which was around the middle of season two, which is when you mentioned. Frankly, the writers and producers didn’t know what they had. It made what was an amazing cast struggle to find their pace and personas.
Well got to remember the source material for this thing kind of sucked. The show is way better than the comics.
For a given value of “better”, maybe.
I don’t think anyone considers Ennis some kind of master of his craft. He’s essentially an edge lord with a publisher.
But what he does well is consistent characters. Within any given work he’s done, as per the top as the characters can be, they have a certain “realness” in that they go through his stories with a sense of cohesion and usually make sense in any changes they go through.
Every show from his stuff so far has utterly ignored that, and thrown in utterly stupid changes to the story without changing the characters in a believable way. You can’t just throw Butcher a curve ball like at the end of season one and then try to keep him the same character, it just doesn’t work.
It really seems like the producers that have mined the Ennis body of work don’t really get it. All the edgelord crap is set dressing. The books have a character driven basis, with a central concept. If you fuck with those, you’re left with nothing other than the shock value at all, and that’s what happened to both the Preacher and the Boys. Both shows turned into shitty b-movie versions of their first season because nobody involved understood what made the originals interesting. They thought it was just the outrageousness of it all
The reason Ennis isn’t just a footnote in graphic storytelling is the way he throws absurdity and over-the-top shock value everywhere and makes characters that navigate it all. In the case of the Boys, the whole thing is about Hughie and how he tries to stay sane and human in the madness. Butcher is the foil to that, he personifies the madness, the way a human can be broken and turned into a caricature of themselves in the world of superheroes.
They fucked that up too early