I have MAGA family members and it’s not just 1+1=5. It’s a word-vomit tsunami of absolute bullshit. And if you convince them that point 1/367 is not factual, they won’t accept that it disqualifies anything else (including the idea that he never tells lies), and you will have to re-prove that point 1/367 is not factual a few weeks later. It’s exhausting, and I’m fairly sure that is the point (and I’m fairly sure this is also an actual Russian propaganda technique called a “firehose of falsehoods”, regardless of whether it’s being used in that context).
Thats our national issue, democrats care far less about the fascist vomit of the right than they do being polite, “understanding,” and “reaching across the aisle.”
J6ers tried to overtake the govt, hang em for treason. If their backers violently rise up, take em out too. Problem solved. Instead, dems make excuses for Republicans every day, say they can’t do anything about anything, then push a bunch of policies to further snuff out the left instead.
Democratic politicians feel this way because they are mostly friends with their colleagues across the aisle. They all eat at the same luncheons together, hang out at the same establishments in DC, attend the same fundraisers and lobbying events.
I think the voters tend to have a different point of view from those in DC. Consider that even Republican lawmakers were running for their life on Jan6. Dem voters are growing fatigued with the constant gaslighting from the establishment politicians, and hopefully soon might provide cause for their “elected representatives” to flee as well. At this point we’ve been left with painfully few alternatives.
Lastly just want to say I do agree with full treason charges for anyone involved with Jan6. Obstruction was a laughable wrist slap, this is far too serious for such measures. The rioters kind of had the right idea but for literally all of the wrong reasons. It’s tea party republicans all over again (which was funded by Koch bros of course). Instead of addressing this in a serious manner, Dems considered doing nothing at all for 2 years before they finally started bringing the wrong charges. Pathetic.
They reach across the aisle because they basically never have control of Congress. Dems need all 3 (presidency, house of reps, and Senate) to pass anything. When they don’t have all 3, they have to reach across the aisle to pass anything. So guess how long they’ve had all 3? They’ve had it for 4 years of the last 24 years.
And if they didn’t reach across, guess what happens. The GOP shuts down the government like they did to Obama.
So what can you do move things left? Give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories in all 3 houses.
Rewarding them for moving further right hasn’t worked for decades, but surely it will this time!
There’s a reason they cant pull the votes to get all 3, turns out the people voting for Republicans aren’t going to switch parties cause dems chase after them year after year abandoning anyone left of mid right establishment dems.
Everytime the Dems lose, they go to the center to find votes. And they find them! That’s how Bill Clinton won, he went to the center (some say right, whatever). Gore went a little left and then lost. So Obama learned to not run left and instead ran on broad “hope”. His reward for passing the ACA was losing Congress for his last 6 years. Thanks voters. Clinton went a little left on climate change, supposedly the important issue for the left, and lost. So Biden learned to not run left, and he won!
Every time the Dems go left they lose. So they go to the center to find voters and they find them. And you wonder why they go to the center?
I’m sure it has nothing to do with immediately abandoning those talking points once they’re elected. A single Republican gripes and “well there’s nothing we can do we’re just doing their thing now. Sucks to suck 🤷♂️”
Of course, as illustrated here they’re happy to blame the left though even though their entire thing is “fuck the left.” whether its outright like it is right now, or the passive “WE’LL TOTALLY DO LEFT STUFF GUYS JUST VOTE FOR US…whoops sorry someone said no so we’re conservatives now”
Is this the conversation where I said dems have had control for 4 years of the last 24 years? Yeah it is. Dude they are forced to reach across the aisle. Because they have lost control for 20 years of the last 24 years. That’s how Congress works, if you don’t have all 3 then you are forced to reach across the aisle and compromise. I’ll say it again, forced to. Because left voters never show up.
No matter how much you gripe, that’s how it works. So if you want them to do left things, then give them all 3 (presidency, house of reps, and Senate) consistently and overwhelmingly. It’s that simple.
(Want to go back further and include Bill Clinton? Then Dems have had control for 6 years of the last 32. Want to include Bush senior and Reagan? Then it’s 6 years of the last 44 fucking years. Read that again: Dems have had control for 6 measly years of the last 44 fucking years. And you wonder why we have slow progress?)
Do you want a fascist dicatorship? 'Cause letting assholes be dangerously wrong without pushback is how you get a fascist dictatorship.
I have MAGA family members and it’s not just 1+1=5. It’s a word-vomit tsunami of absolute bullshit. And if you convince them that point 1/367 is not factual, they won’t accept that it disqualifies anything else (including the idea that he never tells lies), and you will have to re-prove that point 1/367 is not factual a few weeks later. It’s exhausting, and I’m fairly sure that is the point (and I’m fairly sure this is also an actual Russian propaganda technique called a “firehose of falsehoods”, regardless of whether it’s being used in that context).
That’s when it’s time to shame, ridicule, ostracize, and exile. People like that do not deserve the benefits of living in a society.
Thats our national issue, democrats care far less about the fascist vomit of the right than they do being polite, “understanding,” and “reaching across the aisle.”
J6ers tried to overtake the govt, hang em for treason. If their backers violently rise up, take em out too. Problem solved. Instead, dems make excuses for Republicans every day, say they can’t do anything about anything, then push a bunch of policies to further snuff out the left instead.
Democratic politicians feel this way because they are mostly friends with their colleagues across the aisle. They all eat at the same luncheons together, hang out at the same establishments in DC, attend the same fundraisers and lobbying events.
I think the voters tend to have a different point of view from those in DC. Consider that even Republican lawmakers were running for their life on Jan6. Dem voters are growing fatigued with the constant gaslighting from the establishment politicians, and hopefully soon might provide cause for their “elected representatives” to flee as well. At this point we’ve been left with painfully few alternatives.
Lastly just want to say I do agree with full treason charges for anyone involved with Jan6. Obstruction was a laughable wrist slap, this is far too serious for such measures. The rioters kind of had the right idea but for literally all of the wrong reasons. It’s tea party republicans all over again (which was funded by Koch bros of course). Instead of addressing this in a serious manner, Dems considered doing nothing at all for 2 years before they finally started bringing the wrong charges. Pathetic.
They reach across the aisle because they basically never have control of Congress. Dems need all 3 (presidency, house of reps, and Senate) to pass anything. When they don’t have all 3, they have to reach across the aisle to pass anything. So guess how long they’ve had all 3? They’ve had it for 4 years of the last 24 years.
And if they didn’t reach across, guess what happens. The GOP shuts down the government like they did to Obama.
So what can you do move things left? Give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories in all 3 houses.
Rewarding them for moving further right hasn’t worked for decades, but surely it will this time!
There’s a reason they cant pull the votes to get all 3, turns out the people voting for Republicans aren’t going to switch parties cause dems chase after them year after year abandoning anyone left of mid right establishment dems.
Everytime the Dems lose, they go to the center to find votes. And they find them! That’s how Bill Clinton won, he went to the center (some say right, whatever). Gore went a little left and then lost. So Obama learned to not run left and instead ran on broad “hope”. His reward for passing the ACA was losing Congress for his last 6 years. Thanks voters. Clinton went a little left on climate change, supposedly the important issue for the left, and lost. So Biden learned to not run left, and he won!
Every time the Dems go left they lose. So they go to the center to find voters and they find them. And you wonder why they go to the center?
I’m sure it has nothing to do with immediately abandoning those talking points once they’re elected. A single Republican gripes and “well there’s nothing we can do we’re just doing their thing now. Sucks to suck 🤷♂️”
Of course, as illustrated here they’re happy to blame the left though even though their entire thing is “fuck the left.” whether its outright like it is right now, or the passive “WE’LL TOTALLY DO LEFT STUFF GUYS JUST VOTE FOR US…whoops sorry someone said no so we’re conservatives now”
Is this the conversation where I said dems have had control for 4 years of the last 24 years? Yeah it is. Dude they are forced to reach across the aisle. Because they have lost control for 20 years of the last 24 years. That’s how Congress works, if you don’t have all 3 then you are forced to reach across the aisle and compromise. I’ll say it again, forced to. Because left voters never show up.
No matter how much you gripe, that’s how it works. So if you want them to do left things, then give them all 3 (presidency, house of reps, and Senate) consistently and overwhelmingly. It’s that simple.
(Want to go back further and include Bill Clinton? Then Dems have had control for 6 years of the last 32. Want to include Bush senior and Reagan? Then it’s 6 years of the last 44 fucking years. Read that again: Dems have had control for 6 measly years of the last 44 fucking years. And you wonder why we have slow progress?)
How do you know? Its not like we are living in this situation right now
You know what, you’re absolutely correct. Enjoy!
Hey
The correct response in that situation is a warm fist to the face, not a debate