1981 Nikaragua
Those evil Soviet imperialists, supporting a popular anti-colonial movement that brought literacy, healthcare, and land reform, against a corrupt dictator and capitalist death squads! Don’t they know that fighting colonialism and lifting people out of poverty is imperialism?
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According to them Russia could invade Ukraine in 2014 but Ukraine shouldn’t have fired back because “what about the kids?!”
What do tankies think of all the millions of citizens Russia killed in the ussr existance?
Never happened, also it was just a few thousand, also they were kulaks and Ukrainians did it anyway. But also never happened, western propaganda. And what about NATO bombing Belgrade?!?!?!?!
The same you feel when I ask about the millions killed yearly due to imperialism & capitalist overreach.
Really? You accept that they happened, they are bad, and we should work towards a better society where that doesn’t happen regardless of what coat of paint the government puts over their actions?
That’s the rub,
You think government is inherently bad. I think they, and us by reflection are a product of their material conditions. Governments are a reflection of a people’s relationship with material. IE - America says “Greed is Good” Ergo we get the corporate profits over people shitfest we have now. The first step towards breaking that hold is education and organization at a community level. So that is where I focus.
I could get into a big lecture/discussion about Dialectical Materialism, the conditions requiring a vanguard, how that vanguard should be defined ect. ect. ect, how we as a people work to stop capitalist vampirism and “corporatism” (capitalism in a trench coat) - but I don’t think that would help.
Alternatively, I could pull the typical Tankie “Read theory” at this point (and I do think that is what is needed for us to continue this conversation, but I admit it’s a copout that doesn’t really give you a good starting point. Really though the first 2 pages of the manifesto would give you the gist of what I’m trying to say here.)
So, where do we go from here? - If you have a suggestion, I would be happy to talk more.
It’s not the same as all. I don’t support any killings. But you, you have just now with your comment, tried to excuse all the violence and terror and suffering and death caused by ussr, by saying: the other side does it too. Thats seriously messed up. What kind of a person thinks like that. Despicable.
I don’t support any killings.
Clearly you do. You support a world order that can only survive on exploitation of the global south and developing world. So yes. You do.
You can pretend all you want. But you benefit from those killings you don’t speak out against. That is tacit support.
We can and should do everything we can to minimize suffering. You want to bury your head in the sand about the killing and suffering needed to support your lifestyle.
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EDIT: The post above this was just saying that I was trying to “No u” him, but he called me a bad name, so the mod tagged it, just for context. To be fair, I am saying that it happened and happens in many cases, so I can see the argument, I just think it’s inaccurate.
We both do. I just don’t hide from that fact and work to minimize the damage.
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Imperialism is only when the people idont like do it.
Is Russia communist? Also is Russian annexation not Imperialist? Just seems hypocritical is all. We know imperial capitalism is fucked up and we protest it regularly.
Modern Russia is an imperialist shit hole. The question I was asked was about the Soviet.
Oh my bad. I thought you were talking about modern death tolls. I, wrongly, assume most of your .ml compatriots are uncritical Russian chauvinists. Sorry.
Marxist-Leninists support Soviet and Chinese imperialism for the same reason liberals support Western imperialism: they’re both ideologues who want their people and ideals at the top of the global hegemonic order. They’re in a war for global ideological (and possibly ethnic) supremacy, with the winner getting to rule the world.
Hate to break it to you bud but capitalism is already the world order. Now I need you to stay late tonight so we can get this shipment of bombs out to countries in Europe and the Middle East.
Of course, I should have said the Western liberals are defending their position atop the global hegemonic order, and the MLs are trying to unseat them.
But Russia and China are both capitalist countries.
The tankies are tools/useful idiots used by them.
But Russia and China are both capitalist countries.
They’re certainly not ideologically liberal, even if they have embraced some liberal economic principles, albeit under significant state control and direction.
They’re certainly not ideologically liberal,
But they’re very much still ideologically capitalist.
Democrats, libs, and antifa, oh my!
