I disagree. By ordering via these apps, you contribute to the people who exploit the drivers, but you don’t make the decision to exploit them. It is a very big difference, in my opinion, because by ordering you don’t decide the drivers should be exploited. It is the decision of the CEOs to do it, and while you of course have a part in it, I think it is a strong claim to say that OP is actively making it worse.
If you take a service from someone that depends on your tips and you don’t tip them then you have exploited their labor. Not as bad as the company or CEO is but it’s exploitation nonetheless.
True, I probably agree. I’ve thought about it as well. I think it is just important for me to clarify that using the app isn’t bad in itself, but I agree with you - if you don’t tip someone who depends on it, you dont oppose the exploitation of the workers and actively profit from it.
I have a different opinion on that. It is the old question about individual vs. structural responsibility. Yes I am not deciding to package everything in plastic, but by buying apples packaged in plastic I contribute. I do not decide to keep animals under miserable conditions but I have an active part when buying and consuming meat.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not in favor of blaming individuals rather than the industry, it is not black and white. But I think you indeed actively make it worse by ordering via these apps.
Hmmm, I’m just not sure - what qualifies as an active part?
I think what for me matters is if your action has signicifact influence. Would you change the situation if you would’ve acted otherwise? I think for these day-to-day cases, I think it is a strong claim to make that “if you wouldn’t have used these apps, the situation for the delivery drivers would be different”.
It is different for influences - both in the social media realm and people with money/power, whose actions - or non-actions - actually can change the situation of the workers. But if your action - or non-action - won’t change the situation, then how can one claim that one is actively making it worse?
The tip absolutely goes to the dasher. The screwed up system aside you are only compounding the exploitation of the delivery driver.
Don’t use the app but don’t get mad at a system that you’re choosing to participate in and actively making worse.
I disagree. By ordering via these apps, you contribute to the people who exploit the drivers, but you don’t make the decision to exploit them. It is a very big difference, in my opinion, because by ordering you don’t decide the drivers should be exploited. It is the decision of the CEOs to do it, and while you of course have a part in it, I think it is a strong claim to say that OP is actively making it worse.
If you take a service from someone that depends on your tips and you don’t tip them then you have exploited their labor. Not as bad as the company or CEO is but it’s exploitation nonetheless.
True, I probably agree. I’ve thought about it as well. I think it is just important for me to clarify that using the app isn’t bad in itself, but I agree with you - if you don’t tip someone who depends on it, you dont oppose the exploitation of the workers and actively profit from it.
I have a different opinion on that. It is the old question about individual vs. structural responsibility. Yes I am not deciding to package everything in plastic, but by buying apples packaged in plastic I contribute. I do not decide to keep animals under miserable conditions but I have an active part when buying and consuming meat.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not in favor of blaming individuals rather than the industry, it is not black and white. But I think you indeed actively make it worse by ordering via these apps.
Hmmm, I’m just not sure - what qualifies as an active part? I think what for me matters is if your action has signicifact influence. Would you change the situation if you would’ve acted otherwise? I think for these day-to-day cases, I think it is a strong claim to make that “if you wouldn’t have used these apps, the situation for the delivery drivers would be different”. It is different for influences - both in the social media realm and people with money/power, whose actions - or non-actions - actually can change the situation of the workers. But if your action - or non-action - won’t change the situation, then how can one claim that one is actively making it worse?