• DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    You lost me at Ukraine. Ukraine was a domestic revolution against a Russian puppet government that acted in defiance and betrayal of the Ukrainian people. The Ukrainians didnt need any help getting pissed off and rioting in the streets when their president stabbed the entire nation in the back.

    that when the shit hit the fan and the Yanukovitch government was about to fall, every regional and global power on earth was scrambling to try to get a favorable outcome while the streets of Kyiv were being fought between a mob of protestors and those protecting the Puppet state government.

    those “phonecalls” that Russian propagandists love to talk about, weren’t quite the Gotcha that they think they were, because dozens of countries were having those same phone calls, it doesnt happen often, but anytime a state government falls, thats actually normal for those calls to go on. Its outside actors trying to put the peices back together in a way that benefits them and their interests. (if you think Western countries having those calls on Ukraine’s future was bad, boy do I have a horse to sell you on what was happening in Russia, Short version, it resulted in a full scale war.)

    People talk about what caused the Euromaidan and who was responsible for it all the time, but critical and central issue they never seem to bring up when they argue about “Big bad Russia, evil CIA coup, etc” is the Ukrainian people. The population of the country where it happened is treated as if it wasn’t a factor with agency at all, that they only revolted because some guys at the US embassy gave them some signs and told em to. that line of reasoning frankly needs to be told to fuck off.

    • Doorbook@lemmy.world
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      20 hours ago

      I think there is a misunderstanding, the Ukraine reference how a global power “Russia” did the same steps before the military actions.

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        20 hours ago

        I thought you were insenuating that Euromaidan was a US coup, which is a common Russian Propaganda Copypasta. my mistake.

    • FolknForage@lemm.ee
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      23 hours ago

      Re Ukraine - literally what Russia did, and will continue to do in every other place they can