Just for the people interested in mbin, here are a few magazine/community pointers:

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I am part of the mbin team and I am really tired of hearing shittalking about us without any reason. Nobody has any reason to call us anything but passionate.

When melroy started the fork, really weird accusations were thrown around without being based on anything…

AP has a tool for that called inbox forwarding and mastodon uses it for sharing the comments under posts. It works like this: you send a reply to a user with their follower collection as the recipient. You of course cannot know who is following that user, however they than just forward this reply to the follower collection, because the server knows that it has authority over that collection. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#inbox-forwarding

Its not really a “not playing well” with each other, it is just the mastodon works. That is the reason why most toots in my mastodon timeline have 0 favourites (upvotes) and only a few boosts… I don’t know why they do it, because at the minimum the followers of that user should be notified about that like…

I promise that I will never just suddenly vanish unless I actually die 😅

I actually have a LiberaPay, Patreon and Kofi page and only 3 people have donated so far. And those accounts are also used to take donations for my 2 mbin servers and my mid sized mastodon server (>100 “real” MAU)…

Your already helping a lot by helping other admins ❤️

I think we are getting there. Currently the biggest problem I see is that melroy and I are currently the main contributors with other experienced contributors gone or at least not regularly active (which is of course their right, but its just how it is). I do have a whole lot of ideas and plans for features and I am working on a lot simultaneously, though I wouldn’t say that it is a burden, more like a fun hobby. Admittedly this hobby takes a lot of time though 😅

I am very happy that new contributors are currently dipping their toe in the water and I hope they do stick around. Also a lot of the server admins are active in the matrix chat to help others out. So in this regard we are not alone.

I was honestly shocked that debounced left so suddenly and basically completely vanished… I didn’t think that anyone would do that… So honestly we cannot promise anything, but I think melroy will stay around and I certainly will as well 😇

I had the exact same problem and the solution was to ask my ISP who then either just gave me a public IP (Vodafone) or asked for money so my network could be reached from the outside (Primerocom). So check whether there is an option with you ISP to get a “public” IP.

I did my part 😇

We can look at PeerTube for an example of a system that could be shaped into what I meant: when you look at a post (video) from peertube it links lists for likes, dislikes and shares (so basically upvotes, downvotes and boosts). These collections contain a totalItems property, but also list the peoples identities, but just imagine that it wouldn’t be there. When a user now likes the video, the creator of the video now sends out an Update acitivity to all subscribers. Now all subscribers can update the counts for likes, dislikes and shares. Only the “home instance” of the creator account knows about all votes, nobody else does, but nevertheless everybody else can now how many likes, dislikes and shares there are.

If we compare that to mastodon the first part of the statement is still true:

Only the “home instance” of the creator account knows about all votes, nobody else does

But that means that most instances just show 0 likes for most of the posts, because your instance only knows about likes originating from your instance…

As for your proposition: I couldn’t follow for some of it. However I think the risk of an actor abusing the creation of fake accounts and fake upvoters is not really a risk, that is what defederation is for… I would argue very much agains a lemmy specific protocol and some judge instances simply because then big instances would just have pretty much all the data again and it would definitely hurt interoperability because lemmy devs can then just take the easier route instead of implementing something according to AP spec

You cannot make votes completely private, one instance has to have the authority over which votes do exist. This instance should be the origin of a post or comment.

At the moment it works like this: you upvote a post, this upvote gets send to the author of said post AND the magazine and that magazine then broadcasts your upvote to all subscribers of said magazine.

I could imagine that the process looks a lot different: you upvote a post, this upvote gets send to the author of said post, the author of the post then sends an update to the magazine saying how many people have now upvoted their post and the magazine then broadcasts this info to every subscriber of the magazine.

With that you would of course have new limitations concerning moderation and maybe there are trust issues regarding the correct reporting of that upvote count, but only the author of the post (and their instance ofc) could technically know who upvoted their post. As in everything here this is a compromise and whether the gained privacy is worth the other limitations, I don’t know

Upvotes were already implemented when we did the fork. I guess we just never really thought about it. I honestly just have no opinion on whether upvotes should be public or not, so I don’t mind them being public, but I basically never check who upvoted my posts anyway, so might as well be removed… If people care about this I’d say it is just up for discussion…

I was actually the one removing it. I implemented the support for incoming downvotes and because I and others had concerns to keep showing remote users downvotes publicly we / I removed it.

There was and is not anymore

On mbin users can only see who upvoted a post. An admin can of course still go into the db and look there, but for users and mods there is no way to see who downvoted a post

Thanks man. I can completely understand frustration in that regard though (even if you didn’t mean it that way) :)

Absolutely 😁

I can absolutely understand that. I was very surprised as well as I stated often 😅 I can only tell you that I’ve been running my mastodon server a little longer and I commit to the mastodon server covenant (I think that is what its called). But if you have any doubts you should join fedia.io. Jerry has been a reliable admin for years and years (of all kinds of services)

I used that to filter the data, but it wouldn’t generate a pie chart for it XD