kbin.social has some shitty moderation huh

blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny

If you’re left-leaning too, I’d suggest looking at this through the wider lens of European/US Imperialism/Capitalism/Colonialism and how it keeps the global south from making economic or societal progress even after colonialism supposedly ‘ended’ in 1997 (not that long ago). Second Thought, Hakim, and Yugopnik make great videos on the topic.

Religion does certainly play a role in misogyny, but it’s nothing that can’t be overcome in a non-oppressive society imo.

Jews are the natives

A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?

By that logic, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.

And since when is “the period of Judah” an accurate historical reference point?

Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, was just a racist colonizer, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]

That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region; for their ruling class of capitalist corporations at least.

Israel is just a modern western colony committing genocide on natives. It’s keeping the middle-east divided and preventing them from uniting against the Imperial core.

Gaza has been an open-air prison trapping the natives the whole time. And you’re trying to deny their right to fight back against colonizers and settlers? They’re literally openly colonizing the West Bank right now with their whole “Area C” garbage. It’s disgusting.

want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny

Jesus christ, the US and Europe are the ones constantly keeping the Middle East at war to keep oil cheap and military profits high, and keeping them from making societal progress. And I’m saying that as an ex-Muslim. This is literally British colonialist era racist thinking of seeing ‘the other side’ as barbarians.

The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to).

Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that’s entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core’s constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.

How many billions of dollars are they sending to Israel’s military so they can genocide the natives again?

Lmao, if you refuse to accept even sources like WHO, there’s no discussion to be had here.

Last I heard, Evergrade’s chairman was selling their luxury property to pay for the debt. And you guys are still calling planned cities ‘ghost housing’? Lmao. Cool name though. I’d say the US could learn from it, but they’re unlikely to do something that’s not profitable.

You do realize you can google things yourself, right? China’s demographics are similar to the US, though, afaik.

the Uighurs are going to be glad the CCP aren’t into genocide.

Like I said in another comment, even the US State department says there are no mass killings in Xinjiang, and those guys would love to report otherwise. It’s probably not good there, though. Bad Empanada looked into it, and there seems to be cultural repression going on. He has sources in the video’s description.

The Covid deaths are from WHO, what the fuck are you talking about?

authoritarian shithole

The irony of saying that in context of the US where 0.7% of the population is in jail, lmao.

There is an actual genocide happening in Palestine. Even the US State department says there are no mass killings in Xinjiang, likely because the US can’t infiltrate and cause one like they did in Indonesia.

Since Xiaoping’s market reforms, China has nationalized numerous exploitative private companies, decreased working hours to 8 per day, improved working conditions, gotten rid of hundreds of thousands of corrupt officials, purged greedy billionaires like Jack Ma, and built the most extensive high-speed rail and public transport system in the world.

China, with 5x the population of the US, had 121k covid deaths, while the US had 1.2mil. Because the latter prioritizes capital/profit over human lives, while China does the opposite.

These are clearly in the interest of the Proletariat/working class, not the ruling class; China has actively punished the latter.

And all that without overthrowing foreign governments and causing genocides. So how is China even comparable to the US, aside from their economic growth? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe western media tries to show their geopolitical rivals in a bad light, even when they’re objectively better?

Never said they were good. Just that it’s absurd to compare China to the sheer amount of death and destruction the US has selfishly caused, and continues to cause, everywhere in the world for the profit of the ruling class.

Not only were they not alive for the events of 1949, their parents most likely were not either.

You realize Gaza has been an open-air prison ever since, right? And you’re trying to use the decreased life expectancy in Gaza from Israeli oppression to deny their right to fight back against colonizers? What the fuck?

Sure, but the sheer number of warcrimes the US has committed in foreign countries, like the 1973 Chilean coup to overthrow the democratically elected Salvador Allende and install a military dictatorship, or the 1965 Indonesian mass killings etc. aren’t even comparable to China, or any other country for that matter.

Not to mention the Palestinian genocide they’re funding right now. At least China handles extremist groups like the ETIM by ‘re-educating’ them and assimilating them into the rest of the country. As fucked up as that is since it’s cultural repression, at least they’re not fucking bombing them.

Reactionary thinking like this is what lets colonizers and settlers continue to do what they’re doing even in the modern day. A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?

Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, knew this, and did not mince his words. He was simply racist, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to barbarians as did the rest of Europe when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]

That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region.

Do you understand there is a difference between extremist Islamists and normal Muslims? Or do you think they’re the same?

In the the same vein, do you think Zionist settlers are the same as regular Jewish people, who are protesting against Israel and the US’s actions?

B-but China bad

The US sends $3.3bil to Israel every year, and has sent a bonus $14.5bil 2 months ago.

Can you do anything about the genocide on natives that your tax dollars are funding right now?

Yeah let’s focus on Chinese prison labour, ignoring the US’s much higher incarceration rate, and the literal genocide they’re funding right now.

Zionists*

Yes, all Zionists should be expelled, or dead. Don’t mistake Zionists for normal Jewish people, the same way you don’t mistake Islamic extremists for normal Muslims.

Jesus christ, Israel is literally a British colony. Getting Jews out of Europe was exactly what the Nazis wanted.

Zionism isn’t some centuries old thing; it’s based in British colonization tactics. It started in full force only around 70 years ago to serve British military interests in the region.

The companies made are literally called “Colonization Commission” and ‘the Jewish Colonial Trust’

Israel, EU, and the US should decolonize the region and return it to Palestine. Where they go is up to those governments to manage, because they started this. But that goes against their profit incentives, which is to keep the middle-east divided through war, keep oil cheap, and prevent them from uniting against the imperial core, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed in the process.

People are being displaced and forced out of their homes by settlers and military right now. Fuck colonizers.

The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to). Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that’s entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core’s constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.

Capitalism taking its natural course of prioritizing capital/profit over human lives.

Join/organize protests and Socialist movements if you want change.