“I think it is clear that Congress has a responsibility to act. We have legal tools here. And as I said, we cannot approve the sale of arms to a country that is in violation of our own laws on this."

F15s were just the next thing to be sent.

Are fighter jets not “arms”? They were just the next arms transfer being talked about at the time.

Ah, the nostalgia of early net flame wars. Those were the days.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4574559-warren-block-sale-f-15s-israel/

Warren called for arms embargoes seven months ago. Wait for someone who hasn’t been against this for months before taking the told-you-so victory lap.

Don’t forget the fires and injuries!

She was calling it a genocide and for Congress to block arms sales 7 months ago. And called out Netanyahu In February on the senate floor.

A sad day for civility. By trying to ban Nazi-adjacent parties, they’re being just as bad as them.

/S

The news stories seem to just leave out that the Israeli fans stole and burned a Palestinian flag, assaulted a taxi driver and vandalized a taxi, and marched through Amsterdam chanting racist slogans and celebrating dead children in Gaza. Then during the match they disrupted a moment of silence for Spanish flood victims with chant and firecrackers (because Spain acknowledged the genocide and initiated an arms embargo).

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/8/israeli-football-fans-clash-with-protesters-in-amsterdam

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans

But no, instead of a relatively straightforward escalation (still wrong) stemming from foreign racists staging a provocative march and being violent to citizens of the city, we instead just see the news parrot “it was a pogrom on poor Israelis just trying to enjoy some football”.

The post notably included the statement:

that’s not the kind of thing that should happen without the community agreeing to it

With no voices in support in the original post and currently the only two voices in support here being the mods themselves.

Major news organizations believed these quotes were accurate enough to run the story in Israel and Gallant has not issued any countering statement.

Everything in that article was something someone said he said. It’s all reported by the families of hostages that were at the meeting.

I’m in the US and was specifically drawn toward European instance because my (admittedly very lightly informed) understanding is Europe just has better laws on internet freedoms. IIRC a US-based Mastodon instance (Mastodon maybe?) was seized by cops at one point for pretty questionable reasons. Our legal system gives far too much power to police and corporations to enact spurious searches and punishment.

If promising some more progressive policy was a clear winner, why wouldn’t they do it? The answer I generally see implied or stated is that the dem establishment doesn’t want that policy, but that isn’t really an adequate explanation, because politicians are perfectly familiar with dishonesty. If supporting some progressive policy they didn’t like would win them power, they’d just promise it and then just not do that thing upon getting elected.

Because their personal motivations are not “maximize the chances for a Democratic win”, but preserve the power of themselves and their allies with money and influence. If these policies become a centerpiece of the election and broadly popularized, it becomes dangerous to ignore it and advances the saliency regardless of the outcome, pushing it closer to someone actually doing it. A campaign that says “the rich are abusing workers to fill their pockets and the government should tax their wealth until there are no billionaires and provide benefits to the workers” is dangerous to the rich people, even if its initially proposed by someone with no intention of following through.

The people you want to blame aren’t here in a politics community. Maybe a few posters here did a protest vote, probably in a safe state where it didn’t matter, but most people here voted. The people who didn’t vote (in numbers meaningful to winning) weren’t sitting down to think about what the world would be like in each outcome and then saying “eh, it’s fine either way”, they were marginal voters who just didn’t really think it was important because politicians either don’t care about them or don’t follow through on promises. They’re just going to check out when you call them or the other politician names, because it’s a tiring endeavor that they don’t care about. You definitely have people in your life that say “they’re not political” and check out as soon as politics is brought up. You’re never going to reach those voters by expressing your disdain in a forum for politically engaged people, the only way to get to them is to actually motivate them to vote en masse with legit campaigns to inspire them that their lives will get better if they take this action.

It’s also just not a meaningful act. The people signing the original letter have the personal power to boycott Israeli cultural institutions. The signers of this letter can only complain. Their writing this doesn’t in any way change the boycott, it’s just writing a response to write a response, and the ham-fisted way they did it doesn’t have much ability to influence anyone who wasn’t already all in on the genocide-denial.

Man, they could have made the letter something that would persuade people about the importance of ideas and how no nation is a monolith, but they just couldn’t help but make it a blatantly “Israel is right” letter.

“We continue to be shocked and disappointed to see members of the literary community harass and ostracise their colleagues because they don’t share a one-sided narrative in response to the greatest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.

“Israel is fighting existential wars against Hamas and Hezbollah…"

Someone here is obfuscating reality, and it’s not the boycotters. These people are insane.

You do realize people can log in to websites from anywhere in the world, right? You see, there’s this series of tubes…

I truly appreciate the random non-sequitur comment about my instance tacked on to the end without explanation. It really completes the man yelling on the sidewalk vibe.

It is not the length that makes your posts tedious, it’s the weird Russia fanboyism.