You know the state ballot argument is a risk I hadn’t considered. I honestly don’t know enough to say how they could impact but it’s worth further consideration.
I think there would be a media frenzy if you saw a headline like, “BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT BIDEN RESIGNS; ENDORSES GRETCHEN WHITMER.” After which there would be viral social media and millions googling, “who is Whitmer?” Hopefully the conclusion they have is, “well she’s a fresh face and she’s younger than the other guy.”
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Is there a c/ChoosyBeggars?
Fair points but I don’t personally put much weight in the perception of what Republicans might say about a coronation for a couple reasons:
and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
And this is the thing that I’m 100% convinced of by this point, personally. I see not just little hope, but no hope for Biden winning at this stage. As I tried my best to convey, Biden is performing significantly worse compared to 2020 and even Hillary’s failed run. There’s kind of a diminishing-returns argument to be made at this point that the vast electorate knows both Trump and Biden through & through. There’s nothing new they’re going to realize that they don’t already know. So to move poll numbers now is next to impossible; and with that, the polls are going in the wrong direction for Biden, and the full effect of the debate hasn’t even set in.
So what does one do? Well between riding out the inevitable crash, I think we take the chance with another way. But we won’t do that by the looks of it. And I will bet large sums of money that Biden loses, unfortunately.
It’s fine. We have an 81-year-old who jumps from his strongest issue — abortion — to his weakest issue — immigration mid-sentence who will save us from this downward spiral into fascism.
I’m told <checks notes> that this is the best we’ve got.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
The nominee isn’t official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it’s impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
So let’s not pretend it’s impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
If it was about a poor debate performance akin to Obama vs Romney debate 1 I’d be inclined to agree.
The problem is this wasn’t really about the debate. It was about revealing to the country Biden’s clear senility problems, which at 81, won’t get better but certainly get worse.
And second to that: If Biden was 10 points ahead in the polls I’d also say okay maybe we just ride this out.
But he’s not. In fact relative to 2020 he’s been 10 pts behind pre-Debate. Losing in every battleground state as well.
To me I see the car crash happening up ahead and want to jump while we still have time.
Sadly I agree with your final comment. Today at Camp David was the day Biden could back out if his closest advisors and family pulled him aside. But they’re encouraging him to keep going.
Raven for President!
Whitmer. Shapiro. Newsom, even.
Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn’t do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they’d receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They’d surge overnight.
You know who isn’t surging? Biden. He’s been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn’t help.
So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
To be honest I’ve been enjoying a bowl of frozen wild blueberries as an evening snack. Good antioxidants and fiber to boot but it tastes like icecream for me.
The false dichotomy fallacy here is that we don’t have to choose either. There is still time to pick Robin. Younger; more charismatic; still moral.
There’s something to be said for browsing TV. Having favorites channels and recalling between two different shows between commercials. Sucks if commercials were synced.
Like, some films I wouldn’t put on voluntarily but I’d watch if I caught it on you know? Also found a lot of new stuff I wouldn’t have otherwise seen.
Reading books. Not audiobooks. Not podcasts. Books.
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My parents live with me.
Okay, well, one of them now. They divorced under our roof during covid while my wife was pregnant with our first child. Ah, fun times!
At some point they venture off to hobbies and try to pat themselves on the back with a bit of philanthropy.
Don the Con(vict/man). Ah shit I suck at scrabble…
Been waiting for this. As NK involvement increases with Russia, I was hoping SK involvement ramped up in favor of Ukraine.
That’s a probable outcome, but it’s not the only possibility. Neither he nor unpledged delegates have an obligation to endorse Harris.
I think it’s nuts to NOT think it wouldn’t be a good thing. If it hasn’t occurred to people already, we already live in a circus. The excitement of this unprecedented scenario would yield widespread free viral ad time. Democrats are generally united on the objective: defeat Donald Trump. The only thing the convention would be about is: “Who can best defeat Donald Trump?” Which is perfectly fine.
So I’ll repeat what I wrote elsewhere. I think many are missing the opportunity for Democrats to seize the narrative:
I’ll be honest: I think we’re absolutely fucked if we stick with BIden. He’s behind his 2020 stats in pretty much every way. THAT election was decided by 40,000 people across 3 contested states. Prospects were poor PRE-debate (Hence why Biden took the debate in the first place), and they’re even worse now. So I think the risk is worth taking.
If I was a Republican strategist I’d be pushing supportive messages for Biden to ensure he stays in the race. Easy win.
The most dangerous thing for Republicans is Democrats garnering viral media attention and excitement by nominating a fresh new, younger face instead of the forcing voters to pick between two candidates the vast majority of Americans dislike.
Remake this meme for tankies where instead of vote, it just says, “Tankies say ‘get gunz!’”