Please Support me on Patreon!: patreon.com/KnowwaynohowHere's a video showing my recent trip 5 day to Xinjiang. With so much controversy around the region I ...
Clicking through a few links eventually leads to this, which does appear to actually cite Chinese authorities. It shows arrests in Xinjiang spiking to around 230K in 2017. The paper is from 2018, so that’s the most recent data it has.
No data on how many arrests resulted in convictions, what kind of sentences were handed down, conditions of confinement, or anything that would take “they arrested a lot of people” to “they are doing a genocide.”
Certainly doesn’t support the figure of 2 million detainees they tossed around. The half a million arrests claim is at least in play, assuming the spike in arrests wasn’t one year only.
Well presumably the half a million he’s alleging would be above and beyond the number of arrests to start with, given he’s alleging that they’re extralegal internment and not just people going to jail for regular crimes. Not to mention that most convictions wouldn’t lead to jail time to start with.
I’m not sure if he’s arguing there are extralegal, “off the books” detainees (his story isn’t very clear). I think he’s arguing these people are accurately counted by China, but that (1) the process for arresting them isn’t fair and (2) something sinister – a genocide with no mass killings, or a “cultural genocide,” or maybe just mass human rights violations while in custody – is being done to them.
His “insufficient due process” claims come solely from China’s (supposedly) high conviction rate, and are a frankly bizarre angle to focus on if one is even flirting with genocide accusations as well.
I read it, and it does not contain your claim. I can only conclude now that you know that and are deliberately being dishonest and hoping people won’t check if your sources actually say what you claim they say.
At any rate, until you can actually provide a source, any honest person can only conclude that your claim is baseless.
you want the 2 million estimates?
That article claims estimates of “800,000 to 2,000,000”, which actually contradicts your claim of “most estimates agree that the number of uyghur detainees in total is closer to 2 million.”
Could you please explain why you are still misrepresenting your sources?
Also, that article sources its claim to the US government, but the paper is links just drops the claim again with no source or justification. Where is this 2,000,000 number actually coming from?
Xinjiang High people’s protectorate:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/14/china-xinjiang-official-figures-reveal-higher-prisoner-count
You seem to have posted the wrong link, that goes to the western NGO, HRW, not the Xinjiang High people’s protectorate
I would also like a source on:
Clicking through a few links eventually leads to this, which does appear to actually cite Chinese authorities. It shows arrests in Xinjiang spiking to around 230K in 2017. The paper is from 2018, so that’s the most recent data it has.
No data on how many arrests resulted in convictions, what kind of sentences were handed down, conditions of confinement, or anything that would take “they arrested a lot of people” to “they are doing a genocide.”
So the source doesn’t’ remotely back up their claim?
Certainly doesn’t support the figure of 2 million detainees they tossed around. The half a million arrests claim is at least in play, assuming the spike in arrests wasn’t one year only.
Well they didn’t claim half a million arrests, they claimed half a million in concentration camps.
You’re right. So we’re still pretty far from that, even assuming a high percentage of the arrests resulted in convictions.
Well presumably the half a million he’s alleging would be above and beyond the number of arrests to start with, given he’s alleging that they’re extralegal internment and not just people going to jail for regular crimes. Not to mention that most convictions wouldn’t lead to jail time to start with.
I’m not sure if he’s arguing there are extralegal, “off the books” detainees (his story isn’t very clear). I think he’s arguing these people are accurately counted by China, but that (1) the process for arresting them isn’t fair and (2) something sinister – a genocide with no mass killings, or a “cultural genocide,” or maybe just mass human rights violations while in custody – is being done to them.
His “insufficient due process” claims come solely from China’s (supposedly) high conviction rate, and are a frankly bizarre angle to focus on if one is even flirting with genocide accusations as well.
That’s where they got the number, from the high people’s protectorate.
Not that I can find in the article. could you please quote the section?
I would also like a source on:
sorry, the articles only a few paragraphs along, try to read it a little more carefully.
or look for the older source that directly links to the protectorate, I have a lot of sources to provide.
you want the 2 million estimates?
here’s one:
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
I read it, and it does not contain your claim. I can only conclude now that you know that and are deliberately being dishonest and hoping people won’t check if your sources actually say what you claim they say.
At any rate, until you can actually provide a source, any honest person can only conclude that your claim is baseless.
That article claims estimates of “800,000 to 2,000,000”, which actually contradicts your claim of “most estimates agree that the number of uyghur detainees in total is closer to 2 million.”
Could you please explain why you are still misrepresenting your sources?
Also, that article sources its claim to the US government, but the paper is links just drops the claim again with no source or justification. Where is this 2,000,000 number actually coming from?
those are the numbers from the CCP and outside of the CCP.
any other numbers would be speculation.
Could you actually address my comment please?
which one?
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
You’re clearly not sorry for shit