• Guidy@lemmy.world
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    13 hours ago

    Unfortunately too many people decided she didn’t hate Israel enough and sat out the election. And the democrats aren’t changing either way.

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      Which entertaining that Harris was as bad as Trump on Israel/Gaza policy (she wasn’t), every person who sat out objectively said, “I also don’t care about Russia’s genocide in Ukraine, Women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, vaccination policy, or LGBTQ+ rights.”

      Suckers fell for the bullshit.

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        In a winner-take-all election, anything but a vote for the runner-up is an endorsement of whoever wins.

        Yes, this system is stupid. But we’re not going to ever fix it by pretending that the rules of the game aren’t what they are. Any eligible voter who didn’t vote for Trump or Harris make a clear statement that Donald and protect 2025 were just fine by them. Regardless if they stayed home, voted for a vanity campaign, or just left the POTUS choice blank.

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        13 hours ago

        I’ve seen polls showing that many progressives voted and many right-leaning democrats didn’t so I think the answer is to lean harder right to capture those votes.

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          Biggest flaw IMO is it seems like they just are going with a binary “left – right”. rather than specific issues as well.

          IE, when the democratic party “leans right”, they adopt, cut taxes on corporations, they basically give the right their narratives.

          IE Republicans on immigration:

          There’s millions of murderous drug cartel pet eating monsters in this country wrecking everything, we need to get them all out of here by any means necessary.

          Dems response: We should absolutely get them out of here, but it’s worth it to do it slowly and keep due process.

          The obvious problem being to the uneducated voter they hear “The parties agree, there are lots of horrible murderers here, do I care more about the rights of the murderers, or getting them out before there are victims”.

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      9 hours ago

      well, she did win the election….
      https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/
      and it’s not based on gut feelings… it’s based on hard data… statistically impossible things….
      it’s hard to communicate the stats but we have things like:
      a county where 3 people voted for harris, and 900 people voted for trump, but then democrat on every other option… where historically it had been mostly democrats…
      trump actually said directly they rigged the election, multiple times. Musk said he basically stole it and even said how the election would’ve went had he not… and his numbers checked out.
      the polling data isn’t public everywhere yet, but it was a widespread hack of voting machines, just about everywhere they’ve analyzed.
      ….
      there is overwhelming evidence at this point, but it’s hard to communicate because of all the bullshit trump said about biden stealing the election….
      of course, their election “audits” were how they prepared for stealing this one…
      it didn’t make much news, but they obtained the source code for the voting machines… to audit….

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      That wasn’t the only issue…

      For example, she became pro border wall and pro fracking.

      Other stuff too, in virtually every aspect she intentionally set her policy positions to the right of the Dem voting base to court the mythical “moderate Republicans” who stopped calling themselves Republicans decades ago.

      Kamala losing was the result of the “who else will the left vote for, if not me”.

      And like normally happens, the answer was “no one”.

      We know how it works out because it keeps being the only choice, and Dems keep losing.

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      There’s a lot of space between hating Israel and being Israel’s lapdog. Kamala didn’t use any of it.

      They aren’t changing because they don’t need to. The job is already done, their public was successfully manipulated into blaming anyone but the actual people that are in charge of rhe party and the platform itself. Enabling and scapegoating does not lead to change.