There are some capitalist countries that have a pretty low number of homeless people. Finland, for instance: 3,686 in 2022 (0,07% of whole population). So yeah, perhaps USA could do a lot better in this, but also being capitalist doesn’t really correlate with this.
Then again, could be that the reason for the low number of homeless people in Finland is that you don’t survive the winter if you’re homeless in Finland.
Finland has a housing first policy. The homeless often have multiple problems that prevent them from getting a home the normal way (e.g. drug problems that cause them to get evicted). Instead of insisting people get better while homeless, they’re given homes first and treatment for their other problems after. This coupled with welfare transfers that ensure you never end up homeless just because of lack of money leads to low homeless numbers.
Finland’s version of capitalism is in another universe compared to North American capitalism. Finland had UBI, rehabilitation first prisons, housing is treated more as a human right. Socialism doesn’t mean the abolition of commerce, it just removes the predatory hoodwink from the equation.
Why does Communism necessitate killing minorities, and why are you assuming Social Democracies haven’t killed minorities?
Good question, let’s hope you are able to have a civil conversation!
First of all, every communist regime has systemically killed off their minorities. Social democrat governments haven’t. I hope that clears it up. If you come across social democratic governments systematically killing minorities, let me know though.
Do you think tools have a mystical property that requires the owners to turn evil if they are collectively owned, rather than privately?
Like I said earlier, the underlying economic model under the fascism is irrelevant to the millions of minorities having being killed by communist regimes.
Every country has systemically killed off minorities.
Show me exactly where the mystical property of tools comes in, where collective ownership turns people evil. If you can’t, then Communism does not necessitate genocide.
Every country had systemically killed off minorities.
Did I say talk about countries or governments? Keep it on topic
If you can’t, then Communism does not necessitate genocide.
Again, I don’t support transphobia, I just so happen to support communism which is a form of fascism which historically has systematically slaughtered transgendered people :)
Ah, you’re a troll, checks out. For your information, the Weimar Republic was a failing Social Democracy that led to Nazi Germany, which was responsible for the Holocaust. Even Social Democracy isn’t a perfectly innocent system, nor can anyone truthfully say that unrelated systems necessitate the presence of each other.
I support collective ownership of the Means of Production, which will eventually lead to a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. I don’t particularly subscribe to any particular flavor of leftism, as each country will get there a different way. As such, I’m simply a leftist. Decentralization, equality, and Democracy are critical to human happiness, which will necessitate trans liberation. To call me transphobic is projection.
All in all, you’re nothing more than a troll who believes tools have mystical qualities that necessitate genocide if people share them. You can’t actually logically prove this point so you dodge and resort to calling me a transphobic fascist, despite being the opposite.
There’s no use in continuing this convo, you asked me to be civil and yet you immediately out yourself as a troll and spew slander.
The Weimar Republic was also deeply economically fucked because of repayments made to the Allies post WW1. There’s a little bit of history you’re casually ignoring. It wasn’t a systemic failure of “social democracy”.
I’m not ignoring it, hence why I said the presence of some systems doesn’t necessitate the presence, and thus all consequences of unrelated systems.
Their point was that because Communist governments have committed genocides, Communism itself requires Genocide. This is absolutely false, nothing about collective ownership of property in a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society necessitates that the collective itself be evil, hence why I made that point.
It’s fully possible to make coherent points against Communism without resorting to pure ad hominem and mysticism, and I’m fine with people making those points, as discussion adds value.
Lost a convo -> ah you’re a troll haha. Classic dodge.
Weimar Republic was a failing Social Democracy that led to Nazi Germany, which was responsible for the Holocaust.
And the fish that decided to walk on land was responsible for 9/11. What the fuck are you on about?
I support collective ownership of the Means of Production, which will eventually lead to a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society.
Yet in reality it only eventually has lead to genocide. Good going, I’m sure it’ll work the next time around. All you transfolk you’re good, we pinky promise not to kill you this time around :)
Still wont (or can’t?) be civil, tries to dodge responsibility and shows 0 sympathy for the victims of communism. Textbook fascist.
Watching you figuratively fling yourself wildly from side to side to miss nearly every point they made, only to later blame them for the conversation going south is absolutely hilarious.
The best part is where you challenged them to keep a civil tone and they did, but you couldn’t manage to do so for even one more comment. If you’re not trolling, you’re just a massive hypocrite, so it looks like you’re trolling.
At what point was there a communist country on Earth and not just a fascist dictatorship calling itself communist? When did the proles have their revolution and create government?
Are you unaware that fascism is an umbrella term for many things such as communism and national socialism? I mean I know you’d rather suppress that fact but still, quite delusional
Nah. I’m an antifascist. If something looks like a fascist and acts like a fascist it is fascist. It’s not my fault every communist regime is fascist. Differences in the economic model underneath is irrelevant to the minorities being slaughtered. Communism is intrinsically transphobic
Yeah, we should own those dirty communist propagandists by housing every homeless person.
The commies will be sooo owned if we do that.
yes please daddy antisocialist me harder
There are some capitalist countries that have a pretty low number of homeless people. Finland, for instance: 3,686 in 2022 (0,07% of whole population). So yeah, perhaps USA could do a lot better in this, but also being capitalist doesn’t really correlate with this.
Then again, could be that the reason for the low number of homeless people in Finland is that you don’t survive the winter if you’re homeless in Finland.
Finland has a housing first policy. The homeless often have multiple problems that prevent them from getting a home the normal way (e.g. drug problems that cause them to get evicted). Instead of insisting people get better while homeless, they’re given homes first and treatment for their other problems after. This coupled with welfare transfers that ensure you never end up homeless just because of lack of money leads to low homeless numbers.
Yes, Finland does this precisely by rejecting Capitalism and giving homeless people homes. This is not a Capitalistic solution.
I get what you’re saying, you can have a majority Capitalist society and still solve homelessness, but the answer will never be Capitalism.
Finland’s version of capitalism is in another universe compared to North American capitalism. Finland had UBI, rehabilitation first prisons, housing is treated more as a human right. Socialism doesn’t mean the abolition of commerce, it just removes the predatory hoodwink from the equation.
Yeah, quite a lot more capitalistic: https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
We have never had UBI. Only some local experiments that have ended now. Other things you said are correct though.
Social democrats*
It’s like communism but it works, and you don’t even have to kill minorities like you do on communism.
Why does Communism necessitate killing minorities, and why are you assuming Social Democracies haven’t killed minorities?
Do you think tools have a mystical property that requires the owners to turn evil if they are collectively owned, rather than privately?
Good question, let’s hope you are able to have a civil conversation!
First of all, every communist regime has systemically killed off their minorities. Social democrat governments haven’t. I hope that clears it up. If you come across social democratic governments systematically killing minorities, let me know though.
Like I said earlier, the underlying economic model under the fascism is irrelevant to the millions of minorities having being killed by communist regimes.
Every country has systemically killed off minorities.
Show me exactly where the mystical property of tools comes in, where collective ownership turns people evil. If you can’t, then Communism does not necessitate genocide.
It’s that simple.
Did I say talk about countries or governments? Keep it on topic
Again, I don’t support transphobia, I just so happen to support communism which is a form of fascism which historically has systematically slaughtered transgendered people :)
Fuck you fascist.
Ah, you’re a troll, checks out. For your information, the Weimar Republic was a failing Social Democracy that led to Nazi Germany, which was responsible for the Holocaust. Even Social Democracy isn’t a perfectly innocent system, nor can anyone truthfully say that unrelated systems necessitate the presence of each other.
I support collective ownership of the Means of Production, which will eventually lead to a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. I don’t particularly subscribe to any particular flavor of leftism, as each country will get there a different way. As such, I’m simply a leftist. Decentralization, equality, and Democracy are critical to human happiness, which will necessitate trans liberation. To call me transphobic is projection.
All in all, you’re nothing more than a troll who believes tools have mystical qualities that necessitate genocide if people share them. You can’t actually logically prove this point so you dodge and resort to calling me a transphobic fascist, despite being the opposite.
There’s no use in continuing this convo, you asked me to be civil and yet you immediately out yourself as a troll and spew slander.
The Weimar Republic was also deeply economically fucked because of repayments made to the Allies post WW1. There’s a little bit of history you’re casually ignoring. It wasn’t a systemic failure of “social democracy”.
I’m not ignoring it, hence why I said the presence of some systems doesn’t necessitate the presence, and thus all consequences of unrelated systems.
Their point was that because Communist governments have committed genocides, Communism itself requires Genocide. This is absolutely false, nothing about collective ownership of property in a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society necessitates that the collective itself be evil, hence why I made that point.
It’s fully possible to make coherent points against Communism without resorting to pure ad hominem and mysticism, and I’m fine with people making those points, as discussion adds value.
Lost a convo -> ah you’re a troll haha. Classic dodge.
And the fish that decided to walk on land was responsible for 9/11. What the fuck are you on about?
Yet in reality it only eventually has lead to genocide. Good going, I’m sure it’ll work the next time around. All you transfolk you’re good, we pinky promise not to kill you this time around :)
Still wont (or can’t?) be civil, tries to dodge responsibility and shows 0 sympathy for the victims of communism. Textbook fascist.
Watching you figuratively fling yourself wildly from side to side to miss nearly every point they made, only to later blame them for the conversation going south is absolutely hilarious.
The best part is where you challenged them to keep a civil tone and they did, but you couldn’t manage to do so for even one more comment. If you’re not trolling, you’re just a massive hypocrite, so it looks like you’re trolling.
shits self
Haha I owned another one. Ma, come see
At what point was there a communist country on Earth and not just a fascist dictatorship calling itself communist? When did the proles have their revolution and create government?
It’s impossible to prove that somethi g doesn’t exist. Checkmate Hitler!
TIL… Derek Chauvin is really a communist.
He’s a fascist like a commie, but that’s where the similarities end
TIL… Derek Chauvin is a fascist. But also a communist. No, a fascist. But also… a communist.
Are you unaware that fascism is an umbrella term for many things such as communism and national socialism? I mean I know you’d rather suppress that fact but still, quite delusional
TIL… serving capitalism makes you communist.
Do tell… do you also apply this “logic-that-must-be-good-because-I-pulled-it-out-of-my-ass” in other parts of your life?
Nah. I’m an antifascist. If something looks like a fascist and acts like a fascist it is fascist. It’s not my fault every communist regime is fascist. Differences in the economic model underneath is irrelevant to the minorities being slaughtered. Communism is intrinsically transphobic
Can you tell me the page number in Das Kapital where you can find Marx’s discussion of transgender people? Or at least the chapter?
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I AM A COMMUNIST
pay my dues and everything