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    9 months ago

    Would this mean I could finally ditch what’s app and use only Signal?

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          9 months ago

          Yeah, this worked so well for XMPP when everybody federated with Gmail chat.

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            9 months ago

            There’s even less privacy if I have to have the WhatsApp app installed on my phone to send that message.

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            9 months ago

            You have the big plus of not having the WhatsApp app installed and snooping around with all those permissions it has.

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            9 months ago

            Would it not be E2EE? Isn’t that one of the reasons for using the Signal protocol?

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              Yes, the “delivering” part would be E2EE. Do we really know the afterwards if they can read their users’ messages? They probably can.

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                9 months ago

                Whatsapp CANNOT read messages when e2ee is enabled, this client-side snooping was discussed when the protocol was first implemented. Whatsapp collects a ton of metadata and social graph info, but not message content.

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                  Well you type messages in in plain text and they decrypt it to show you the messages at the other end. So they can do the nefarious processing on the client side and send back results to the mother ship. E2EE is only good when you trust the two ends, but with WhatsApp and Messenger you shouldn’t trust the ends.

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                    At the end of the day, you’ve got to trust someone. I’m 200% convinced meta mines the social graph, of course they do, and provide access to law enforcement with a pro forma request. But I’m also 199% sure they don’t actually read your messages once unencrypted, reencrypts them and sends them as hidden payloads or does something else with it. The damage, should it be discovered, would be untold.

                    And while I don’t trust Meta on a lot of things, I know enough people there to realise that if they did that it would leak.

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                Sure, but any messaging app (including Signal) could have these backdoors in place. Heck, there’s even vectors for unrelated apps on your phone to read this data once unencrypted.

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              if i remember correctly, it would be E2EE (WhatsApp and Messenger are too) but Meta stores the encrypted message on their server

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            Them being nonprofit has nothing to do with the pursuit of marketshare. Plenty of nonprofits want to maximize marketshare. Them being nonprofit means they are mission-driven.

            And what is that mission?

            Per the Signal Foundation’s website:

            Protect free expression and enable secure global communication through open source privacy technology.

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      Not if signal doesn’t want to support WhatsApp, and I don’t think they’re going to unfortunately :(