The ability to change features, prices, and availability of things you’ve already paid for is a powerful temptation to corporations.

  • WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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    • When you take 5 eur from my pocket - you are stealing.
    • When you take 5 eur from my pocket, make a copy and put my original 5 eur back to my pocket - this is not stealing.
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      Further to that, paying for a product then the seller taking that product away from you without refunding your payment is stealing.

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        Taking a product from the shop without paying and returning the item later is still stealing.

        The issue here is that there is a period of time where the shop does not have the item.

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          If you are trying to make an analogy to digital copies, this still doesn’t hold water. The copyright holder does not have ownership of your copy.

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            The copyright holder should never have ownership of my copy. If I purchase it it should be mine to use. The shop should not be allowed to come to my house and take it away.

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              The key difference here is that you only own the copy when the copyright holder sells it to you. I don’t know if you’re being obtuse, but this shouldn’t be a difficult concept to grasp. If it helps in understanding, try replacing “copy” with “product” and “copyright holder” with “store.”

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                The key difference here is that you only own the copy when the copyright holder sells it to you

                Right, I should own my copy. I have purchased this copy and it’s mine now. It’s bullshit for a store to say “now that we no longer sell the thing your purchased previously you’re not allowed to own it anymore.”

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                  Ownership is one condition that a copyright holder might offer, but that’s not guaranteed. Video rental shops would allow unlimited consumption for a limited time period, for example. We can argue all day about the differences and what consumers want versus the conditions under which content producers currently operate. I am personally also extremely frustrated by that, and I vote with my wallet: I do not subscribe to services that I find too restrictive or too expensive.

                  Where I am in the minority, however, is my position that copyright infringement is illegal, unethical and can in any way be legitimized.

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      The “taking a physical object” analogy doesn’t even give us anything useful.

      Most stores of perishable goods don’t want to hold onto their stock; they want to give it away, ideally in a way that makes them money. In many countries, they will even give away the last excess to homeless people that would not reasonably be able to afford it.

      If there’s one orange seller in a town that’s put effort into a supply train to bring oranges there, but someone has shared a magic spell that lets them xerox oranges off the shelf, then that orange seller never gets paid, and has no livelihood; it doesn’t help him that he still has all of the oranges he brought to market, he’s not going to eat them all himself.

      I expect the morally deprived will answer “Not my problem.” Yet, it’s going to be an issue for them when they try to run their own business.