I noticed that though he raises his voice a bit when he’s getting into the more sort of territorial part of the interaction while she spouts her talking points, when he actually gets to his own point he lowers his voice a bit.

This is really clever. Not only does he know that he’ll get his point across better with less volume and stress in his voice, but he compartmentalizes the two parts of the conversation and draws a clear delineation between them. On the one hand there’s the sort of social-territorial posturing where the words aren’t really carrying factual meaning so much as being a means of claiming space. This is the arena where Fox’s reporter is comfortable, though clearly Bernie knows his way around as well.

When he starts bringing up his own substantive points, he does so at a lower volume with an even tone. It feels like a totally different interview, because the Fox reporter literally doesn’t even know how to exist in this space.

She’s trained to compete on that level of pecking at one another to vie for status. Right-wing politics has become entirely about dragging the discussion down to that level. But if you manage to bounce right off of it and bring it back to reality the way Bernie does here, they have nothing.

Literally her only move is to bring it back down into posturing, but he already beat her in that arena.

This is the way forward.