Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.

Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.

Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.

The 30-year-old was already suspended from her job and on bail for alleged sexual activity with boy A, 15, when she allegedly took the virginity of a second boy, known as boy B, 16, who she later became pregnant by.

Joynes denies that any sexual activity took place with boy A - whose semen was recovered from her bedsheets.

  • Cralder@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2567·
    6 months ago

    Notice how it says “having sex with” instead of “raping” because she is a woman.

    • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      684·
      6 months ago

      Yeah as fucked up as it is men cannot be raped by women according to the definition under UK law. That’s what I read anyway someone please correct me though because I would love to be wrong here.

      • thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        232·
        6 months ago

        It’s not the best source obviously, but according to Wikipedia this is incorrect, women can be charged with rape (if I’ve read this correctly):

        Under section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the use of the phrase “his penis” is a misnomer as all laws were previously written using male pronouns. It does not exclude those who are legally female from being able to be covered from the definition of rape.[12]

        The last time I pasted a Wikipedia link on a world news community I was banned, so mods please just delete this comment if I’ve done something wrong. [Edit] note it was a different world news community, I’m just trying to be extra careful.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_English_law

        • idiomaddict@feddit.deEnglish
          23·
          6 months ago

          I honestly think that’s more about ensuring that they can charge trans women with rape (which they obviously should, when relevant). It seems like the thing they’re commenting on is the pronoun, not the noun.

          Where I am, penetrating someone with an object counts and they phrase it very differently

          • thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            6 months ago

            It does specify being the penatrator in a different section, I’m no lawmaker though so I’m not sure how the two statements converge.

            You might be right about the trans argument.

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.worldEnglish
          152·
          6 months ago

          The last time I pasted a Wikipedia link on a world news community I was banned

          .ml? The mods there are really ban-happy, especially if you say something counter to tankie orthodoxy and back it up with unassailable logic and/or data lol

          • thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            81·
            6 months ago

            Yeah that’s the one. I hadn’t noticed they were so ban-happy and I did enjoy getting some, definitely not all of them, different takes on world events.

            What I really don’t like is over policing though as it means you can unintentionally be stuck in a bubble.

            Maybe there are stats on the number of bans a community has. That’d be interesting to have an idea of how much a community is policing.

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              6 months ago

              Maybe there are stats on the number of bans a community has. That’d be interesting to have an idea of how much a community is policing.

              It’d be up near the top for sure! Of the four times total I’ve been banned on Lemmy,

              • one was a legitimate one for breaking the “be excellent to each other” rule in [email protected] by getting far too heated while arguing with a pro-cop person
              • one was a misunderstanding where making fun of Mitch McConnell got me banned from [[email protected](https://lemmy.world/m/politics) for “celebrating the death” of his sister in law
              • the other two was absolutely bullshit [email protected] bans for
              • supposed “sinophobia” (expressing unease about Chinese cops cooperating with Orban’s fascist government in Hungary) and
              • “McCarthyism” for calmly and truthfully explaining that West Germany and later modern day Germany actually DID ever stop with the Nazism
        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          11·
          6 months ago

          I cannot officially speak on behalf of any other mods, but I can’t imagine any of us deleting a Wikipedia link. Really, any mainstream source is acceptable. If you posted a link to something like womencantrapemen.co.uk, that might be a different issue.

          • thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            7·
            6 months ago

            Thanks. yes this was a different world news community. I wasn’t saying it was this one that banned me, sorry if that wasn’t clear.

            I was just adding the disclaimer because I didn’t want to get banned from this one too.

            I’ve edited my original comment to try and make it more clear that I’m not referring to this community.

        • David_Eight@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          6 months ago

          IDK why people hate on Wikipedia links so much. Most wiki pages provide sources at the bottom of the page and are annotated, the [12] at the end.

      • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        6 months ago

        German law is curious (and well-written) in that regard. “rape” is something an offence may be called but it’s not a category of offence in itself. There’s one single section covering sexual assault in various aggravation stages:

        StGB, Section 177:

        (1) Whoever, against a person’s discernible will, performs sexual acts on that person or has that person perform sexual acts on them, or causes that person to perform or acquiesce to sexual acts being performed on or by a third person incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term of between six months and five years.
        […]

        (6) In especially serious cases, the penalty is imprisonment for a term of at least two years. An especially serious case typically occurs where

        1. the offender has sexual intercourse with the victim or has the victim have sexual intercourse or commits such similar sexual acts on the victim or has the victim commit them on them which are particularly degrading for the victim, especially if they involve penetration of the body (rape), or
        2. the offence is committed jointly by more than one person.

        Note the “at least two years” doesn’t inherit the “up to five years” of the previous section and there’s even higher minimums for carrying weapons, risk of damage to health, etc.

        Only acts involving penetration are considered rape but it doesn’t say by who or what, and even if the e.g. forced face-sitting didn’t involve penetration it’s still going to be on the same aggravation level.

        OTOH under German law what she did probably doesn’t even begin to be rape it’s sexual abuse of persons in one’s charge.

    • JoBo@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      6 months ago

      Statutory rape does not exist as an offence in English law. The offence is sexual contact with a minor.

      The age of consent is 16 but 18 if the older party is in a position of responsibility (like a teacher). So whether or not she had unlawful sexual contact with the second boy would depend on how that law was interpreted, as well as when the first contact took place.

    • Syn_Attck@lemmy.todayEnglish
      832·
      6 months ago

      Notice how it says it was consensual and they were at the age of consent?

      • idiomaddict@feddit.deEnglish
        153·
        6 months ago

        Joynes denies six counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child, including two while being a person in a position of trust.

        The defendant, pleading innocence, said that. The case is about sexual activity with children.

        • Syn_Attck@lemmy.todayEnglish
          217·
          6 months ago

          Hitman denies being hitman and you believe him, that’s your angle? I know you’re being intentionally obtuse, but it’s clear I was talking about the teenagers, not the woman trying not to be arrested.

          • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
            213·
            6 months ago

            She is an authority to them, they are obviously not adults, she invited them to her home, and there is little doubt she had sex with both because one evidently came at least on her bed and the other inside her.

            This is sexual abuse. If the sexes were reversed the guy would be scheduled for a life sentence with high probablility of getting shanked every time he encounters another prisoner.

          • idiomaddict@feddit.deEnglish
            7·
            6 months ago

            Ohh! It’s just your reading comprehension, not that you’re really suggesting that it’s cool for a teacher to fuck their fifteen year old students and former students. If you care about what the children said, there’s this from the older one:

            Boy B claims he tried to end the relationship but did not know how to, called her a “paedo” and told her to find someone her own age but claimed emotional pressure came from Joynes to keep their relationship going.

      • WatTyler@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        Age of consent is 18 in the United Kingdom, when the older individual has a duty of care for the younger.