I love how the propagandists just keep beating the same drum after the Biden administration has constructed a ceasefire deal which has received unanimous UN Security Council support, and did appear to be moving forward until about 14 hours ago. (Edit: It might still, that’s not over yet.)
It’s almost like if the US just turns its back on Israel, we’d lose our leverage to press a negotiated agreement, which would surely not end with Israel digging in their heels even further. (/s) It’s almost like geopolitics are - wait for it - complicated.
Second Edit: Let’s also not forget that Israel is a nuclear power. What do you think happens when Israel’s back is against the wall, they’re running out of conventional weapons, and Iran and/or other groups decide to take advantage?
It was unanimous because Russia abstained. Putin loves the refocus on Israel while he continues his genocidal war crimes in Ukraine under the US media radar.
For those who haven’t been keeping up, Russia has abducted 700,000 Ukrainian children to be raised as Russians in foster homes since the war began. It’s genocide on a scale 20 times larger than Palestine, and isn’t making national headlines in the US due to the focus on Israel.
The US formally declared this as genocide in the House of Representatives with a 390-9 vote in April by invoking the UN Genocide Convention, and the ICC has issued arrest warrants. Did you see any headlines about that?
Russia is also the largest investor in the sanctioned Iran economy that is directly funding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.
I’m legit not trying to troll here, but I vaguely recall a news story last month where Biden said it’s not genocide. I forget if he was referring to Ukraine or Gaza, but either way I was kind of dumbfounded like wtf.
He was referring to Gaza. Its amazing the number of lies $12m buys
But hey, some rando with literally no national attention is polling at 3% in a couple of safely blue states, so definitely don’t vote for GeNoCiDe JoE! /s
Notice how they only ever criticize Biden, and never the Republican party, which fully supports Israeli bullshit?
Republicans don’t pretend to care they wear their bigotry on their shoulder, Democrats are covert in their bigotry and their racism that’s why they are often called out for it
Have the weapon shipments to Israel stopped?
No, neither has the money
The intent of someone’s speech, or even its outcome, does not make it incorrect. A culture of hiding from reality thinking in doing so it will give us certain outcomes is what this practice will create.
Saying something that is technically correct is still wrong if it is done so in a way that causes people to be hurt unnecessarily.
Edit: Strawmaning me while talking about how truth is important is the biggest irony.
So we need to shut people up who’s information we percieve will give us outcomes we don’t like? I guess the nazis gave that ago and if it worked for them I guess we should do the same. But if we have decided to live in a post-truth world of our own creation, how are we going to make an honest assessment of what true information is actually harmful. We could just be lying to ourselves about that too.
Here is a good rule of thumb. Never lie to yourself. Never hide from information. Anything else is just developing anti-intellectual habits.
It kind of reminds me of a quote from And Justice For All from Metallica. “Seeking no truth. Winning is all. Fighting so grim so true so real.”
When both sides frame what is true or false by what will help them win that that’s how you end up with a post truth world. Of course that can be easily corrected by lying to ourselves again and claiming that only one side has blame. There is nothing a lie to ourselves can’t fix.
Never lie to yourself. Never hide from information. Anything else is just developing anti-intellectual habits.
I agree. However, the entirety of your comment fails to address what I’ve said. Would you like to try again?
No. Not really. I think creating a post-truth world is more harmful. The way you get around the “harm” of true information is by encouraging people to process true information more maturely. Not by hiding it. There is no harm in truth by itself.
Both sides are bad, votes third party.
This guy gets it
Both sides are bad
It’s jut that one is kinda great with a bunch of bad things, the other is a pineapple up your ass nightmare shitshow.
Which one to choose, choices choices choices…
One is implied as guilty of genocide because their companies sold weapons to and haven’t actively prevented their use in an overseas conflict they have no authority over.
The other is s convicted felon, who is also likely guilty of treason, actively fights democracy and has been caught in blatant lies, wants to take the country back 150 years in civil rights, actively seeking campaign funding by selling out the global climate futures and thinks we should use nukes to combat weather we don’t like.
I don’t know how Americans can choose
I fully agree with you.
But… This comment is a month old, how do you feel now?
We CANNOT get Trump, but Biden is practically endorsing Trump at this point. People are dumb enough to vote for Trump after seeing Biden mumble about
Still the same.
I discussed a similar thing in another thread - regarding Israel there are 35 years of policy and hundreds of years of culture, combined with a military industry complex that ties into the entire US economy. No president can fix that in 3 years.
You absolutely can’t get Trump, and Biden isn’t perfect by any means. But unfortunately those are still the only two choices.
Is it even fair to call them bad if you immediately also admit that they’re “kinda great”?
If you cherry pick the comment, yes. Insaid a little bit more there.
Truth be told, Biden has done a shit tonne of great things, really, and a lot of the bad was out of his hands. Truth be told too, he now appears a bumbling old man close to his deathbed, and very far from ready for a presidency and still I’d say vote for him because well, you know, the alternative sucks
Both sides are bad. that’s factually correct information
Turd Sandwich or Massive Douche.
Nah, some of us just aren’t delusional and see how both sides are ineffective, ignore their constituents, corrupt(look at the stock trading of any politician for an example), and a whole host of other problems. Some of us want a party we can actually support, not just “the lesser of two evils”. Itd be nice to have a candidate that you actually want to vote for on their own merits.
But nah, just paint us as whiny conservatives trying to trick you, not your fellow Democrats who are fed up with the shit show we’ve been fed our entire lives. This is one of the most pathetic Democrat Defenses: “if you don’t agree with us, you’re really a smelly conservative!”. Nah, I just don’t agree that you have the ability or desire to actually make things better. And I’m not gonna keep a broken system on life support just for your comfort. I WANT the system to collapse because it’s already a mockery of what it should be. If it collapses, we either go full authoritarian and stop pretending we’re not(so at least we’re finally honest), or maybe, just maybe, a different voice can rise up for once.
Either way, better than voting for Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich and continuing the same broken system for another 100 years.
For all the people down voting me, does the following sound familiar? “Election happens. Told Vote D or a R wins and everything will be worse! Elect a D. They can’t get anything done because the Rs prevent them. Rs proceed to win next election and completely change major laws on a whim. Ds continue to complain that they can’t stop the Rs”. So why would I vote for a party that openly admits they can’t get shit done? The entire Democrat playbook is “The Republicans wouldn’t let us”. Fuck that bullshit. If you can’t see it for the scam it is, you deserve this bullshit. It’s a party of eunichs. It needs to die and be replaced with an actually progressive party, not another shade of R.
This is such a bewildering take. You can yadda yadda corruption on both sides but when the platform of one side is “making your and your neighbors lives better” and the platform of the other side is “straight-up fascism; we want to put people in camps,” the arithmetic is clear.
You’ll never ever ever be able to vote for a perfect candidate. You might as well vote to make your country a better place to live.
Remind me what the Dems actually get done. They CLAIM to be progressives, but oddly they always seem to get stopped. They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn’t. Republicans swooped it away in seconds like it was nothing. So which party actually gets shit done when they’re in power? It’s not the Dems. They’re incredibly ineffectual while the Rs just run the board.
You can say all the nice shit in the world, but if you can’t actually get anything done, you’re worthless.
Honestly at this point, the smartest move Dems could make is voting R. Infiltrate the party that actually gets shit done from he inside and steer them differently. Fill the R party with so many progressives what we move the Overton window back. But that would take concentrated effort and the Dems don’t have the stomach for dirty games, even if those are the rules that need to be played by now.
They had how long to codify row vs wade into law and they didn’t.
Democrats have had 6 months since 1993 with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, plus control of the house and White House. Outside of that narrow window during Obama’s first term, they would never have been able to codify Roe v Wade. They used that time to pass the ACA.
Exactly my point. They have all that time and can’t get it done because of the Republicans. Republicans got it done tho, didn’t they? So which party holds actual power? So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades? Why would I think voting for them would matter at all? Even when elected they’re eunichs. Thanks for proving my point.
You fundamentally misunderstand what’s necessary for Republicans to accomplish their goals vs Democrats to accomplish their goals. Overturning Roe and codifying Roe are two completely different branches of the government. You really need to brush up on civics.
Who got what they wanted? Rs. Who lost what they wanted? Ds.
It’s the same story over and over but you want to convince us that “this time it’s different!”.
Well, when you guys actually start getting shit done, I’ll support you. But if it’s “at least you’re not voting for X”, nah, go jump off a cliff. It’s the party of doers vs the party of “we try really hard but somehow keep failing and our only idea is to blame the other guys”.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between progress and obstruction.
I understand which party has the power to get things done. And I understand when one party is ineffective at fighting back and should be abandoned for a party that can fight back. You’re stuck in the 2 party mindset. There are numerous other political groups in the US. You could be supporting a labor party, an environmental party, a civil rights party, etc. but instead it’s always “R is evil, so you need to vote for a D, otherwise BOOGYMAN!”. Or how about we empower the other political parties and start having real nuanced political discourse?
Because Us vs Them is a hell of a lot easier.
Bitch and moan about your ideals all you want. The reality is the Rs win, the Ds lose, and the Ds just keep whining that the means ol Rs are stopping them instead of changing tactics and listening to constuents who are tired of out of touch old white guys deciding the future of our country. The Democrat party suffers from a serious image issue and this constant “well vote for us anyways” just becomes pathetic over the years.
Republicans got it done tho, didn’t they?
Shrinking the government, reducing services, shutting down programs and deregulating are all much easier than passing laws to guarantee new rights or build new programs. Democrats’ priorities are generally to build new things, Republicans’ are to obstruct or destroy.
So why should I vote D when they can only muster 6 months of actual power in the last 3 decades?
The Inflation Reduction Act is the single largest clean energy policy ever enacted. Just because Democrats are blocked from achieving all of their goals doesn’t mean they are accomplishing nothing.
Hey look guys! In 30 years the Ds did a thing! That totally balances out the 100s of things the Rs have done in the same time!
You said it yourself “they’re blocked from achieving their goals”. The best supercar in the world is outrun by a toddler if it has no gas. I’d rather vote for a toddler than the guy claiming “we’ll have gas soon. Just as soon as we convince the gas station to sell it to us and the bank to honor our card and…”
I pointed out one recent, big accomplishment. If you’re genuinely unaware of anything else they’ve done, you’re welcome to read some of the lengthy lists others have posted in these comments.
You do realize that you can vote third party and they maybe better aligned with your values?
The only people taking people’s power away are those telling us that we have to choose between the candidates we don’t like and ignore the ones that we do agree with.
I as an Arab American will not vote for someone enabling the death and destruction of my people. Call us Russian trolls all you want.
Any US president will support Israel due to geopolitical relations the US has with Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diffonly=true&title=Israel–United_States_relations.
Biden is at least acting as a moderator in the war, which is significantly better than the GOP who are saying they want Israel to “finish the job” when talking about Gaza. Voting third party will benefit the GOP and make the situation much worse.
The “vote democrat to save democracy, you must vote one party, … for democracy” seems like Orwellian doublespeak at this point, because if you look at the numbers, democracy is about to be heavily eroded over time by the democrats. I’m not even registered to vote, but it’s obvious to see the tactics being pushed and enacted.
Then they better get started earning those votes
both sides aren’t bad.
one side is bad. the other side is a comically evil, fucking nightmare that is going to make sure all future generations for the foreseeable future will suffer things that can be avoided by voting for the “bad” side.
don’t be stupid. one side is banning abortion, is going to go after simple contraceptives next, and will certainly ban gay marriage as soon as possible. their obsession with trans people is just a foot in the door.
get f*ked. George carlin applies.
