• AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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    Guess who just armed the rebels. We were taught in the military that if we are armed, and run into local unarmed resistance, try to deescalate the situation. Unless we are outnumbered 5 to 1. At that point we were to withdraw to a more defendable position, because if they got violent, we were all dead and we just armed the civilians.

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      We were taught in the military that if we are armed, and run into local unarmed resistance, try to deescalate the situation.

      I know because I’ve discussed and seen it innumerable times, but it always gives me a feeling of absurdity being reminded that the RoE for modern militaries in most combat zones is stricter than it is for US police.

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      Unless we are outnumbered 5 to 1

      So as few as five unarmed people can take a trained, armed soldier? I would’ve thought that ratio should be higher. Good to know.

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        The great advantage of guns is the ability to kill at a distance. If you’re close enough to talk without screaming at the top of your lungs, guns lose a lot (though not all) of their utility. And even specialized martial artists will tell you that being outnumbered, even just by a small amount, is an incredible disadvantage in a close-up fight.

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          Maybe I’m overestimating how much a gunshot wound incapacitates a person. My thinking was that one hit per person anywhere would take that person out of a fight. That means that it would take at least (magazine size) + 1 people to overwhelm an armed shooter (who is good at aiming). Aiming should be easy, since they’re running toward you and probably not good at evasive maneuvers.

          But all of my theory stems from shooter games, so it’s probably not worth much :D

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            Depends on where a person is shot. If it doesn’t hit anything important, a shooting victim can go without noticing the wound even a day after or so. If it hits something important, the person shot will drop on the spot.

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            A gunshot wound can vary wildly in terms of incapacitation. Depends on how determined the person is. A single bullet can kill a person, but usually not instantly. There’s something call the ‘Mozambique drill’ or ‘Failure to stop drill’ in which, to ensure someone goes down, you fire two shots to center mass, and then one to the head. That’s a pistol drill though.

            More importantly, though, at a certain closeness it actually gets harder to keep your aim on a person with a full-sized rifle. And once someone is close enough to take a few long, quick, desperate lunges and grab at the barrel of your rifle (ie the kind of range you’d be in to talk to someone), you’re on very bad ground.