That’s not really true. Much of China’s economic growth in recent years has been driven by internal demand and not foreign investment.

EUV is complex, unlike nuclear weapons and energy, 5G, space stations, probes to the dark side of the moon and hypersonic missiles. Those things are simple.

and packaging this into a system that meets the scale and reliability requirements to make it commercially viable hasn’t been reproduced to date

Your overall point about EUV being difficult isn’t wrong, but this line is really where the typical liberal forecasting of China’s capabilities fall apart: they don’t give a shit about it being commercially viable, they give a shit about having the industrial capacity.

The reason why EUV is more or less a cartel monopoly in the West is that it’s a cobbled together collection of scientific principles that work well enough that the first few companies that figured it out could make insane profits off of it, and then proceeded to patent the shit out of it to prevent anyone else from doing so. The engineering behind EUV is… not great from a reliability standpoint, most notably the fact that EUV has an average downtime of something like 10% (meaning your fabs are offline 10% of the year for maintenance), in large part because you’re shooting little droplets of liquid metals with a high intensity laser which tends to splatter and require cleanup. There are potential alternatives to this process for creating the kind of UV light you need for lithography, such as particle accelerators, that are theoretically superior but the R&D into those alternatives costs tens of billions of dollars with no guarantees that any of it will ever become profitable, so Western capital doesn’t bother trying.

China doesn’t have that profit restriction. It needs the ability to produce bleeding edge chips to remove its reliance on an increasingly hostile West, and it has not only the engineering and scientific power to brute force that kind of R&D but the ability to devote a sizeable portion of its national resources to doing so. It doesn’t matter if its profitable, it matters if they’re able to decouple a critical industry from the West and ignore sanctions accordingly, and that has infinitely more value than a shareholder dividend, so they will put the resources into doing so and, inevitably, they will figure it out. And from what we’ve seen over the past 2 years since the trade wars have started, they’re not only succeeding but doing so ahead of expectations, in large part because increasing tensions have made life a living hell for Chinese scientists and engineers abroad working in these industries due to racism and suspicions of spying which push them to emigrate back to China and lend their expertise there instead.

In 20 years, chips made in mainland China will be competitive or even superior to their Western counterparts unless the West undoes 50 years of neoliberal rot overnight and replicates what the CPC is doing for silicon manufacturing or the CPC collapses and China experiences the same shock doctrine that the former Soviet states did in the 90s, and neither of those outcomes look likely right now.

just that it will take a very long time, because the complexity is spread across several very distinct scientific disciplines, integrating them is a challenge of its own (again, watch the videos),

Dutch managed it, why wouldn’t the chinese, with a centrally planned economy that can directly integrate the different disciplines, be able to?

packaging this into a system that meets the scale and reliability requirements to make it commercially viable hasn’t been reproduced to date.

Communists in shambles - how could anyone fund science for the sake of progress instead of making money?

You obviously fall into the trap of believing that hard science cares about politics

Look in the fucking mirror champ

You’re trying to tell me a rapidly developing, well-resourced country will hit some arbitrary technology threshold because communism. You know, the political system that put the first man in space a generation after most of the USSR wasn’t even literate.

You definitely know you’re winning when you’re constantly complaining about your opponent. You hate communists yet allow them to live in your brain rent-free. Interesting.

China doesn’t need to produce the fast chips because their comparative advantage is in quantity manufacturing.

that’s cool and all but china has carrier-killer hypersonic missiles and ameriKKKa doesn’t

People were really underestimating how quickly China could make chip progress, too

Name anything developed 100% by America in the last 39000 days on an odd calendar month by a scientist who’s name contains three vowels and the letter X which wasn’t funded by wealth stolen from the global south and on land that wasn’t stolen from victims of genocide.

Careful not to hurt your back moving those goalposts.

This article has ~4 inventions from last year:

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/10/4/nwad058/7070744

Stop being a racist piece of shit

Fusion reactor

Hybrid rice, which has saved millions of people from starvation

Why is it always the dumbest motherfuckers who are the most insufferably smug

Not to mention the whole hitting themselves with it first thing just completely flying in the face of logic.

And also that the response of every western government to the release of a bioweapon was to do fuck all and infect all their citizens with it and kill millions so that line would go up. With friends like these, huh?

I love the COVID was a bioweapon line of argument because if you track it to it’s logical conclusion, it definitely came from fort detrick

It was SO GOOD when you posted it the first time. Really glad you copypasted it. Thanks man.

They also invented the landmine, which you should go and frolick in a field of them.

Cope lib

China retains crown in scientific papers, widens lead over U.S. https://archive.md/BFUU0