• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    3 hours ago

    Drag should not assume I am saying electoralism is the end all, be all of political action. I am advocating for organizing outside the electoral system as the primary role of leftists, and refusing to give the electoral system legitimacy. Voting Dem is not a “good thing,” because the Dems are unacceptable and will lead to genocide, world war 3, and failed climate action.

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      2 hours ago

      Drag is confused. How does voting legimitise the electoral system? Drag mostly does direct action, but drag also votes.

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        2 hours ago

        If voting for Democrats is seen as activism, then activism is oriented around voting for Democrats. Voting third party signals disapproval for the system in general and tells the public what views those in disapproval have.

        If Drag wants to do direct action, and believes it to be the path to systemic change, then voting for Democrats is counter-intuitive.

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          2 hours ago

          Drag doesn’t get it. None of that sounds like practical, material effects. It just sounds like symbolic gestures. Drag wants to know if there’s any physical reasons not to vote, or just symbolic ones. Also drag is not a capitalised pronouns user, but drag is glad you’re willing to respect people with capitalised pronouns.

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            1 hour ago

            How is delegitimizing the electoral system by voting for leftist third parties not practical? If leftists continue to prop up right wing parties committing genocide, failing to address climate change adequately, and working towards World War 3, then that will be the status quo that is maintained. To get off of this train, leftists need to organize outside the bounds of electoralism, build up dual power, and signal strength with third party voting.

            The physical reason not to prop up the democrats is that the democrats are leading the US to the end of the world, just like the republicans, and legitimizing their rule makes leftist organizing more difficult.