It annoys me even though I’m still in the U.S.
Edit: For everyone saying CVs and resumes are different, that might be literally the case, but that is not how job applications are using them. I just went to this one:
It annoys me even though I’m still in the U.S.
Edit: For everyone saying CVs and resumes are different, that might be literally the case, but that is not how job applications are using them. I just went to this one:
The date thing is infuriating because the American date format just shouldn’t exist
ISO is best. There’s no debate there. From a data science perspective, YYYY/MM/DD is the only reasonable choice.
But most of the time you’re using dates, you’re only concerned with the month and day. That’s the very reason we don’t use ISO in our daily lives. If you started every mention of a date with the year, people would think you’re a crazy person, or a time traveler, or perhaps a recently-awakened coma patient. There’s just no need to begin with the year. Next Wednesday, 2024 December 18.
If you exclude the year, then the choice is month/day or day/month. Between the two, month/day is far more useful for the same reasons ISO is best. If I need both the month and the day, then I want the month first. The only time I would want the day first is if the month doesn’t matter, and I can omit the month in that case. Giving me the day first and then the month forces me to wait for the month and then remember the day. It’s inefficient transfer of information. If you exclude the year, MM/DD is objectively, if only marginally, better than DD/MM.
But then why would anyone use MM/DD/(YY)YY? Because we’re already using MM/DD.
Ahem - there is a debate… it’s over
/vs.-. As is proper - all true debates should be over minor formatting decisions (soft tabs over my fucking dead body)./can’t be used in a filename on most common filesystems so that doesn’t enter the conversation the real question is if you include-as a delimiter at all.20241212or2024-12-12? They are fixed width fields so I skip the delimiter when I’m storing data* but tend to use the delimiter when writing for a general audience.* Y10k problem right here!
What programmer in their right mind uses / instead of -?
I use the delimiter when writing out log files when I want hour or minute in the logfile name. SantaChimneyLog_20241225-0312.txt. Otherwise yeah it just gets left off.
ISO 8601 gets a bit weird with times.
Using
Tto separate the date and time components looks a but strange but is unambiguous and widely compatible.Then the
:delimiter between the time components is just impractical because, well again we put data in files and files live in filesystems. Any special characters that can’t be used in filenames on all major filesystems is a nonstarter.I’ll see you on the 1st of the 1st.
I see nothing wrong with that. The day number moves most frequently, so that should go first. The month moves second most frequently, so that should go second. Putting the month first makes it odd.
Why would the number that moves most go first? Numbers don’t work that way normally.
Do you also say “six, fifty and two hundred” instead of “two hundred and fifty six”?
Fair play…this is just how we say dates.
Are you German? How do you read 35? Is it 5 and 30? Or 30 and 5? Because the most significant number comes first, the one that moves most cones last.
No, I am not. I just say dates the way people in my country say them, as do you, I suppose.
The dates are written to match how it’s said. In the US we say our dates as month day year, and before you say “But the 4th of July” my counterpoint is that the 4th of July takes place on July 4th. And Cinco de Mayo takes place on May 5th. And May the Fourth Be With You takes place on May 4th.
I never thought of that. Thanks for the clarification.
Glad to provide some honest perspective.
It just depends on how you say it out loud.
Here in the us, we would say today is December 11th, so we write it the same way, 12/11.
Other parts of the world would say today is the 11th of December, so they write it that way, 11/12.
Its the ISO format everyone loves but from the time before digital computers needed to sort our dates, so we put the year at the end as it’s generally the least important if something isn’t digital
I get not liking something cuz it’s different, but it amazes me how many people pretend it’s bad