• Crikeste@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Are people still saying Israel is the good guys? Do good guys do this?

    Do good guys kill Reuters cameramen?

    Do good guys bomb hospitals?

    Do good guys commit genocide?

    • AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Yes, they are. My CEO sent out an email this morning about how he’s saddened by “the attacks on Israel” and glad “all our Israeli employees are safe”. He closed with “we stand with Israel”. No mention of any sadness or fucks given for all the dead Palestinian civilians.

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        1 year ago

        There was a controversial and sexist bait letter someone at Google wrote before being let go and it was heavily propped up by right wing media as an example and justification that everything Google does from now on is left wing because they’re cancelling this poor sexist man.

        My first long term job’s company instructed HR to print out the letter and give a strong endorsement of it for seemingly no reason. It basically just read to me as, “Women have strongsuits other than business success like emotions and raising children and their lack of pay is actually justified and good.” that they wanted to come from our female head of HR as opposed to our do nothing remote from Florida male CEO. These rich people are no smarter than anyone else, they just use bigger words as they stick their foot down their own throat.

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      1 year ago

      Serious question- and I’m
      It being argumentative- this is a question I have wrestled forth myself.

      What would proportionate response look like?

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        1 year ago

        Well first of all military response, proportionate or not, is meaningless in such a conflict. Israel is feeding Hamas who’s in turn feeding Israel etc etc, so the answer is to work on securing peace rather than radicalize the Gazan population more (because God knows after this shit they’ll be out for blood), but if there needs to be a military response it should at least follow Israel’s own roof knocking policy, which they’re not following in these attacks, where they drops small non explosive rounds to warn civilians to evacuate before bombing their homes (which is also bad but less bad than indiscriminate murder). See also: Not using actual fucking white phorphorus, not bombing routes and locations they designated as safe, and definitely not bombing hospitals and ambulances. These are all things the IDF has been confirmed doing in the past few days. Usually the response to Hamas attacks is airstrikes, but the last time anything like what we’re seeing now happened was in 2014.

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      1 year ago

      Don’t know who’s down voting you, but yes, this is actually textbook strategy for insurgent warfare.

      Little guy makes a move with the goal of provoking big guy to create a security clampdown and overreact. This feeds little guy’s PR and recruitment efforts, as well as potentially overstretching big guy’s resources.

      I even have a recent and precisely on topic video that covers it:

      https://youtu.be/UKvzOF-toIA?si=ge1cJA2H7_NtDJcu

      He even references the ACTUAL DOD MANUALS that detail this strategy.

      • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
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        1 year ago

        Yeah, especially considering the initial attack was likely somewhat related to trying to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia’s growing friendship, but can anyone name a country that wouldn’t demand vengeance after the atrocities at the music festivals and overrun communities?

        The attack was designed to be brutal to force a brutal response, probably designed to be like that by Iranian religious fanatics who couldn’t care less about the Palestinian population as long as they’re a good weapon to use against Israel.

        None of that justifies Israel doing awful things but it does make it harder to think about.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 year ago

    That the BBC would report on this unironically is noteworthy.

    We gave Israel a free pass to treat people terribly. They treated our people terribly.

    What else do they expect?