• ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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      10 days ago

      its antagonists are to be judged by their actions.

      Nah, they’re judged by what our propaganda says their intentions are.

      Yeah, hundreds of millions are out of poverty, but at what cost?

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        @[email protected] is describing the standard judgement process of liberals. Western countries are typically judged on their stated intentions, eg Biden claiming to have done everything he could to get a ceasefire in Gaza, while actually supplying Israel with everything they needed.

        Liberals, however, do not extend such courtesy to non-Western countries, and moreover tend to accept the narrative most pushed in the media about such countries despite distorting the quantity and quality of events.

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          oh, well…that’s not what’s happening here. I try not to conflate everything with one thing.

          The leaps these commenters make are broad.

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            It seems to me that you’re guilty of being evasive, like when I asked you to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. You’re just wasting your own time more than anything, by lacking a firm and coherent stance and sources to support your argument, you weaken every statement you make.

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                Even in this very comment, you refused to clearly state your position on the quantity and quality of the re-education camps in Xinjiang. This is evasion.

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                    I asked you the same question here and here, and I’ll do so again in simpler and clearer terms here:

                    1. What is going on in the re-education camps in Xinjiang, with sources?

                    2. What is the extent, ie the scale, of the re-education camps in Xinjiang, with sources?

                    3. Why do they exist in the first place, with sources?

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              10 days ago

              not me.

              1. I’m reporting facts rather than judging

              2. there’s no bias on the east or west from my comments.

              obviously I can’t speak for the bias if all of these other excited commenters.

              I’m interested in actions and intentions, regardless of country.

              not just actions and intentions, but complete historical events within context.

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                I’m reporting facts rather than judging

                No you aren’t

                there’s no bias on the east or west from my comments.

                Yes there is.