With Ukraine’s military badly outnumbered by the invading Russians and desperately in need of more soldiers, villages like Makiv are being emptied of their fighting-age men.
Comment I replied to is explicitly about Russia in Ukraine right now.
Edit then someone posted an image trashing NATO for something unrelated to Russia being in Ukraine right now, thus proving me right.
Talking about other conflicts or historical events is classic goalpost moving.
I didn’t contest or even bring up paperclip Nazis in the west, someone reflexively did which is great.
Edit Regarding the image, acting like the us/west was the only one trying to collect Nazi intelligence via recruiting scientists and the like is comical. If the soviets could have got them, they would have. Sucks to suck?
There are many articles on this, pick any source you find acceptable, I don’t need to play whackamole and find more than one to get you started
Edit Regarding your links, I never contested paperclip Nazis or NATO involvement in Ukraine but “regime change” in Ukraine is silly. It’s a defensive war to kick Russia OUT of Ukraine.
You’re just mad it’s “kyiv” not “kiev” and it’s “Ukraine” not “the Ukraine”
Not Nazis or NATO, but the US specifically. This isn’t even seriously contested anymore. It’s an open secret that corporate media won’t touch for fear of flak and losing access to sources.
Ukraine is a proxy in a war between Russia and NATO.
Edit Regarding the image, acting like the us/west was the only one trying to collect Nazi intelligence via recruiting scientists and the like is comical. If the soviets could have got them, they would have. Sucks to suck?
Literally never addressed Nazis in the west. Not one bit. Why’d you bring it up?
The point I did bring up is that the soviets also secured rocket engineers, and undoubtedly would have loved to have von Braun and similar.
And beyond that, as the original comment was discussing Russians in Ukraine, which they obviously are. Even if it is a proxy war, it is a just one because Russia kicked it off with a flaccid attempt on kyiv. Edit and NATO is backing Ukraine. If Russia pulled out tomorrow the evil NATO certainly wouldn’t chase them into classic Russian territory.
That’s true: the scientists are hardly worth mentioning, because most were just worker bees. It’s really the assimilation of the Nazi command structure that was the issue.
They didn’t use the command structure you’re referring to because they didn’t get them. Very silly assuming they just ignored them because of some principled stance.
Agreed communism is incompatible with fascism but that’s historically convenient because Stalin was a wolf in sheep’s wool on that topic. His government modeled many fascist behaviors quite readily.
Edit also I’d say declaring the workerbee vs command distinction is a clear goalpost move.
I asserted that the soviets took Nazi scientists and technologists, and they did.
Comment I replied to is explicitly about Russia in Ukraine right now.
Edit then someone posted an image trashing NATO for something unrelated to Russia being in Ukraine right now, thus proving me right.
Talking about other conflicts or historical events is classic goalpost moving.
I didn’t contest or even bring up paperclip Nazis in the west, someone reflexively did which is great.
Edit Regarding the image, acting like the us/west was the only one trying to collect Nazi intelligence via recruiting scientists and the like is comical. If the soviets could have got them, they would have. Sucks to suck?
Describing a pattern of behavior is evidence.
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The Soviets did get some of them. They got the gulag, because they were Nazis.
Lol no.
Whatever folks they sent to the gulag they wrung dry of knowledge first. Stalin had a fun habit of discarding his playthings when bored.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/605972#:~:text=In the fall of 1945,German academics and industrial scientists.
There are many articles on this, pick any source you find acceptable, I don’t need to play whackamole and find more than one to get you started
Edit Regarding your links, I never contested paperclip Nazis or NATO involvement in Ukraine but “regime change” in Ukraine is silly. It’s a defensive war to kick Russia OUT of Ukraine.
You’re just mad it’s “kyiv” not “kiev” and it’s “Ukraine” not “the Ukraine”
Not Nazis or NATO, but the US specifically. This isn’t even seriously contested anymore. It’s an open secret that corporate media won’t touch for fear of flak and losing access to sources.
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Dude I thought we moved past this. Are you just linkbombing everything in your feed?
Edit yep, often the exact same stuff. Dang
Ukraine is a proxy in a war between Russia and NATO.
Only thing comical here is the sheer ignorance on display, sucks to be an ignoramus https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
Which Russia can stop at any time by LEAVING THE SOVEREIGN SOIL OF ANOTHER NATION.
Do explain why you think Russia would do that?
Literally never addressed Nazis in the west. Not one bit. Why’d you bring it up?
The point I did bring up is that the soviets also secured rocket engineers, and undoubtedly would have loved to have von Braun and similar.
And beyond that, as the original comment was discussing Russians in Ukraine, which they obviously are. Even if it is a proxy war, it is a just one because Russia kicked it off with a flaccid attempt on kyiv. Edit and NATO is backing Ukraine. If Russia pulled out tomorrow the evil NATO certainly wouldn’t chase them into classic Russian territory.
That’s true: the scientists are hardly worth mentioning, because most were just worker bees. It’s really the assimilation of the Nazi command structure that was the issue.
Communism—unlike liberalism—is incompatible with fascism.
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Yeah, whatever quirk of Lemmy’s UI shrinks my image and makes the text impossible to read.
They didn’t use the command structure you’re referring to because they didn’t get them. Very silly assuming they just ignored them because of some principled stance.
Agreed communism is incompatible with fascism but that’s historically convenient because Stalin was a wolf in sheep’s wool on that topic. His government modeled many fascist behaviors quite readily.
Edit also I’d say declaring the workerbee vs command distinction is a clear goalpost move.
I asserted that the soviets took Nazi scientists and technologists, and they did.
I expect you’re right on that last point even without looking at the evidence.
And in the spirit of conversation, I acknowledge NATO is not some benevolent entity against all evils. I just find the kneejerk too much sometimes.