How would you approach persuading a far extreme liberal toward center? What would you set as a realistic goal for a productive discourse? Would it be better attempt to do so in person rather than online?
How would you approach persuading a far extreme liberal toward center? What would you set as a realistic goal for a productive discourse? Would it be better attempt to do so in person rather than online?
Interesting to contrast the votes on this with the other thread about conservatives.
No problem with extremists as long as they’re our extremists.
I have yet to meet an extreme liberal that wanted to declare one of my children inferior to other humans.
I can’t say the same about conservatives.
I think most parents will agree that they are looking out for their kids first, and until your platform respects all of my children like they were your own, it gets NO support from me.
Far left extremism - ending homelessness by taking money from the rich
Far right extremism - invading a capitol building to block vote counts
Far right extremism - ending homelessness by throwing them in jail and forcing them to work for the rich at below minimum wage
SEE?!?! BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!
Far left extremism - silencing all opposition, one party, everyone is equal (except those who are more equal of course), corruption, executions, burning of books, and much more.
If it sounds very similar to right wing extremism, congrats, you’ve discovered a cool fact: all extremism is bad.
If you think I’m pulling it out of my ass, those things happened in my country when we were under Soviet communist occupation. Also extreme poverty, never seen before or after their occupation.
Great, but that’s not what republicans mean when they say “extremist liberal.” Instead they have coopted the term “extremist” so it no longer means anything, except what they want it to, when they want it to.
That’s what extremists do, gaslight, obstruct and project. It’s all 101 level stuff.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I just really hate when people who know extreme left just from the internet claim how awesome it is. It’s not, there’s really few differences between extreme left and extreme right.
you’re describing authoritarianism, not leftism. We want to feed the hungry, care for the poor/sick/elderly, and give every person the opportunity to live happily with dignity. None of that has anything to do with your strawman.
Did you miss like half of the premise? Or the keyword extreme?
Your strawman can be broken down very easily when you leave out half the original points.
Is that actually far left extremism, or just fascism with a misleading name tag?
Far left extremism. Soviets wanted to create utopia where everyone is equal, except the leaders of course. That’s not gonna change. And then it cascades into straight up dictatorship.
Still sounds like fascism.
Indeed it does. That was my whole point.
If someone hands you a bowl of shit and tells you it’s chocolate pudding, that doesn’t make actual chocolate pudding shitty.
But, I can definitely understand being skeptical of chocolate pudding after eating a bowl of shit.
At the very least I guess we can both agree that we need to check our pudding for pieces of shit before we dive right in.
That’s not far left. “Everyone is equal” is left-wing, but adding “except the leaders” is right-wing. It’s not that the far left is like the right, but that those claiming to be far left and doing right wing stuff aren’t as far left as they say they are.
But when they say they’re left-wing, I’m sure you’ll trust the soviet leadership. Why would they have a reason to lie?
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Lmao “far left extremism” is somehow contextually different than the phrase OP used (which btw is the context for this whole thread) than “extreme liberal?”
Laughably, you think your quibbling got you an out as far as providing proof of your claim. Please show me where Far Left Extremists™️ banned or burned books in any way near where Conservatives have. My proof is below, let’s see yours?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021–present)
A well known issue with the left is that leftwing parties tend to split into a million different fractions.
Pretty sure a key feature of left-wing policy is transparency and removal of money in politics. Contrast to, for example, the recent US (right wing) supreme court ruling that bribery is totally legal as long as you do it beforehand.
Unless this is your dog whistle for freedom to have an abortion, you’re just Imaging this. The death penalty is very much opposed by every left wing group or person.
Maybe, maybe at the far end, republishing books with disclaimers about the period they were written in…
And do you think the Soviet Union under Stalin was very leftwing? Or were they just extremely authoritarian? Did they practice much egalitarianism, or did they merely say they did? We’re they anti-war? Pro multiculturalism?
Another internet warrior making stuff up. Everything I said happened in my country and happens in every communist country. Your “No True Scotsman” is boring and uninspiring.
Since when are soviets extreme liberals?
Except the “other side” from conservatism would usually be progressivism. Maybe this is my US bias showing, but all mainline political thought is based on liberalism here: it’s the nonliberals who are the extremists, whether they’re progressive or regressive in their authoritarianism.
Lemmy has failed the test.
(92) Conservatives bad hissss
(-55) Liberals? My, but how do you define them?
Fun experiment anyways
Did we fail the test because we’re wrong, or was the answer sheet wrong? Maybe we say conservatives are bad not because of some hidden bias but because conservatives are bad.
I’m not a huge fan of liberals either but anyone with a brain can see that modern conservatives are anti-intellectual hate cult retards who think that truth is dictated by consensus and proclamation, and they deserve to be as unpopular and ridiculed as they are because they had decades to prove that their punitive ideological approach works and they failed horribly.