We had not only national anthems, but a whole-ass flag raising ceremony weekly. And there’s even a “Little Red Scarf” ceremony once a year.
When I first came to the US, I just thought the pledge was a normal thing. But according to some Europeans on the internet, its apparantly just… not a thing in their country?
Not only is not a thing, but the rest of the world views it as distinctly odd. Performative patriotism looks a bit creepy from the outside. I guess you have to be born into it, but we all know that family who does something and remains unaware just how it looks?
There’s a lot that I would say that are just crazy to me when they become inherent by definition indoctrination.
Circumcision and childhood baptism also fall into those categories for me. Want to devote yourself to a religion have at it. but how the hell is it not a huge ass red flag to encourage the major changes and opinions at an age that clearly decisions can’t be made.
Baptism at least can be ignored… it’s a bath at worse, a sprinkle at best. But it’s still a facepalmingly stupid concept at best when the child clearly isn’t the one making the decision (obviously excluding when adults decide to be baptised, I have no objections there).
Same for teaching kids to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth. Same for “teach them to love their country etc…”.
No you know what, teach them accurate history of their country, and of other countries. When they have understanding of it, let them compare, see what our country does good, did bad, with context of what other countries did that was good, and bad.
Even being born into it, it feels weird. I’ll stand politely when the national anthem is played at a sporting event, because that feels only slightly odd. But the pledge of allegiance always gave me straight cult vibes, no thanks.
I’ve seen multiple groups of Australians treat their national anthem with mild irreverence, which feels so much healthier.
So tame tho. See my other comment…
We had not only national anthems, but a whole-ass flag raising ceremony weekly. And there’s even a “Little Red Scarf” ceremony once a year.
When I first came to the US, I just thought the pledge was a normal thing. But according to some Europeans on the internet, its apparantly just… not a thing in their country?
Not only is not a thing, but the rest of the world views it as distinctly odd. Performative patriotism looks a bit creepy from the outside. I guess you have to be born into it, but we all know that family who does something and remains unaware just how it looks?
There’s a lot that I would say that are just crazy to me when they become inherent by definition indoctrination.
Circumcision and childhood baptism also fall into those categories for me. Want to devote yourself to a religion have at it. but how the hell is it not a huge ass red flag to encourage the major changes and opinions at an age that clearly decisions can’t be made.
Baptism at least can be ignored… it’s a bath at worse, a sprinkle at best. But it’s still a facepalmingly stupid concept at best when the child clearly isn’t the one making the decision (obviously excluding when adults decide to be baptised, I have no objections there).
Same for teaching kids to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth. Same for “teach them to love their country etc…”.
No you know what, teach them accurate history of their country, and of other countries. When they have understanding of it, let them compare, see what our country does good, did bad, with context of what other countries did that was good, and bad.
Even being born into it, it feels weird. I’ll stand politely when the national anthem is played at a sporting event, because that feels only slightly odd. But the pledge of allegiance always gave me straight cult vibes, no thanks.
I’ve seen multiple groups of Australians treat their national anthem with mild irreverence, which feels so much healthier.
As an Australian I can confirm this. Anybody silly enough to act patriotic in any group will be sledged mercilessly.
It’s completely not a thing in any country I’ve visited except America. You guys are the gold ribbon looniest.
Aw, shucks. Thanks!
I realize it’s not a compliment, but we need a win, right now, so we will take it.
That’s the nicest thing I’ve agreed with being said about my country in over a month. Thank you, kind stranger!
It used to be a thing in my country… back when it was under a fascist dictatorship.