• ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 hours ago

    65% Stopped without a gun

    34% Stopped with a gun

    15ish% of Americans carry sometimes, around 7% always.

    Gotta be honest, those numbers are looking pretty good if only 7% of people always carry but 34% of shootings were stopped by one of those 7%. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that a good majority of the remaining 65% weren’t stopped with a gun because nobody there had one at the time. Same for the ones that weren’t stopped by any bystanders armed or otherwise.

    In at least one of those police just stood outside with theirs for two hours.

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      I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that a good majority of the remaining 65% weren’t stopped with a gun because nobody there had one at the time.

      And yet there is no way of knowing that, so you’re just making an unprovable assertion. I showed data.

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        That 34% came from your data, feel free to search for the amount of carriers and choose your favorite estimate and use that, it’s still lower than 34%. As for the motivations for “not stop with gun” think critically, it’s simply more likely that if such a low percentage of people carry daily, there’s a higher chance that nobody there has one at any given location/time (aside from expected locations like “gun store” or “police station” where of course the likelihood of the presence of guns jumps to 100%, but for some reason those are rarely targeted). Would you rather stop a shooter with a gun of your own or risk bare handing it?

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            Yes yes ignore any other data, I’m gonna be honest dude I don’t actually care if you believe the data or not, you can look it up if you really care but you’re clearly more interested in dismissing it so, have a nice day I guess, this little subthread has reached its logical conclusion, goodbye.

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                https://duckduckgo.com/?q=percent+of+americans+carry+guns&ia=web

                Since you evidentially are unaware of the existence of search engines I’ll provide this helpful link.

                Now, if you just wholly reject the concept of estimates (lol but you do you) you can go with the raw “has CCW” number which is tracked, though low (due to constitutional carry/open carry), and would benefit my argument. Again IDGAF, 34% ain’t that bad of a percentage for how few people carry whether you believe it or not, and you’re clearly dead set on your preconceived notions that misrepresented data is good and estimates are bad (though there is the 8% of americans with verifiable CCW permits, that ain’t no estimate), so again I must bid thee adeu.