Facts.
Did AI make this? It looks like it
It was just following orders.
Nah dw the mom just has epidermodysplasia verruciformis
Why is that man pulling her braid lol
Must’ve trained the AI on Wheel of Time.
I don’t want to assume their gender but that’s a man, baby!
…he’s just following orders
if you work for ICE I think your views already align with theirs
To be fair, the nazi guy also looks like he’s in the SS.
The message: 👍
The AI generated slop: 🫤
I could’ve made this art.
Do it.
Shocking truth:
Humans can make all art made by AI.
Humans can make all calculations made by computers.
People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It’s the way it always has been. It doesn’t mean there’s no value attached to it.
Incidentally, for all of the “this is AI” brigade, what are you picking up on? I’m not picking up on any of the classic tells. Aside from the closed fists in the first and last image, where I’d personally go for an open hand, I don’t see anything obviously amiss.
Dude pulling on native american person’s braid, mother and daughter look too similar, mom’s hand is messed up, SS logos are messed up
There’s a wave of AI generated comics hitting lemmy right now. At first i was in the same boat as you, found it difficult to identify
Now after seeing more and more, my brain’s detection algorithms are updating.
I’m quite good at seeing obvious AI slop images, but comics was a totallly new thing i had to learn to detect
Ah, thanks for that!
I was genuinely interested because I used to lecture when the AGNs first started appearing. Ironically enough, I used to point out to the students how you could tell photos were generated (mismatching ears shapes, asymmetrical glasses, oddly shaped jewellery etc.).
Seems like I need more exposure to the comic art side of things!
If you’re interested in seeing how good it’s gotten now, some are impressive https://sora.com/explore/images
What ever you do, don’t look at the Native American’s eyes. 🥴
😳😬
but you didn’t.
What’s your point?
The good news for (most of) the pieces of shit from the 1830s and 1940s is that there wasn’t a tool for us to use to name and shame.
However for this generation of fascist scum there is now the internet. And it should be used to track down and tackle the ICE scumbags. Fuck them.Edit: Reee, AI, blah blah because, yes, that’s the most horrible thing about this post. Definitely not the kidnapping and fascism. Fuck sake.
you are on track with the right kind of thinking and the children are too busy whining about the AI. fuck the AI haters. let them say it to my face. we have bigger fish to fry. anybody that wants to get distracted like that is a liability and should be treated as such.
Interesting moral dilemma: is ai use acceptable if it’s to spread a message like this?
Is it acceptable? Honestly I don’t know, it’s tricky.
It is not as if the picture is of real people that have been manipulated. Which is unacceptable . So, for me, it’s down to if the op couldn’t get their message across without it because, again for me, the message is fast more important at the moment. And AI being shoved in to everything and up everyone’s arses is a problem for another day.What I do know is that I posted them read other comments and that most of the replies that mentionef AI were just mentioning AI. Some mentioned AI and the general message of the post. Some mentioned the message, but the majority and their replies were just about the AI.
Which, to me, means that OP’s message seems to be less important.
If op could draw themselves I don’t think they would have used AI.A quick “fuck AI” then acknowledgement about the general is far more important and on topic than just mentioning AI.
Fuck sake.
Dude. Nobody got kidnapped or fascisted over this post. But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred. Yes, it’s perfectly appropriate for people to care about that, and some people, believe it or fucking not, can hold two things in their heart at the same time. If I can make you ignore whatever I’m actually doing just by referencing Mussolini, I have a superpower over you. And maybe people do.
Also, fuck your low key ableism. Let “reee” die.
You should cry more.
Devastating. I may never recover from that. Let’s cry together.
It’s an inherent problem of the human condition, for some reason our own moral compass becomes dysfunctional once the authority and therefore responsibility is with someone else. It’s the reason the Stanford Prison Experiment went so wrong once the professor took influence; we’re not inherently evil, we (as a species) are just drawn to the current ruleset as dictated by our social group or idol of choice, especially if we get convinced it’s somehow necessary.
Obviously not trying to abolish any guilt here, people are still responsible for what they’re doing.
In the end we need way higher quality of education globally, better social security, rethink society (don’t have children be on their own and make parents constantly burned out, god damn it) as well as political systems so they are designed to prevent any definition of an in- and out-group. Protections for who, what, where and how people are are great, and stuff like Germany’s Article 1 is a good start, but it needs to go way further.
We need to design an environment that allows us humans to become more than we currently are if we ever want to get out of this cycle.
Not to burst your bubble but
Stanford Prison Experiment
was a total hoax:
It confirms claims Zimbardo pushed participants towards the results he wanted, something he has disputed.
That’s actually what I referred to, although I indeed didn’t know know about the other statements by participants. Only knew about someone in Stanford digging through the files and realizing Zimbardo fucked everything up by pushing towards a certain outcome. Mmh…
I still stand with my statements about what we should do better though.
I’m with you on that. Most people all to thankfully give up their responsibility and do what they are told. The less they see the outcome of their actions the better (drone Pilots for example).
Anyway, i think the stanford prision experiment is a bad example for that though, because it also incorprates peer pressure and concludes that nobody will think twice doing harm to others, as long as they are told to do so by authority. Humanity isn’t that bad I hope
Humanity isn’t that bad I hope
Then explain human history and literally everything else we know. It is only denial, optimistic bias, self delusion, and other mediating psychological effects that allow us to see ourselves as anything better.
Then explain human history and literally everything else we know
For what? This would change nothing. The only thing you can change are your own actions at this very moment.
It is only denial, optimistic bias, self delusion, and other mediating psychological effects that allow us to see ourselves as anything better
“Everyone is an asshole, so it’s okay for me to be an asshole too”?!
You do you! I strongly believe most people don’t enjoy seeing other people suffering. I’m no saint either but I try my best. I think that’s a way better starting point than your take.
For what? This would change nothing. The only thing you can change are your own actions at this very moment.
I thought we were talking about societal concepts? Those would literally change everything given it’s about the shape of our very environment, it’s okay if you don’t want to engage in such a discussion though.
I approve the message! The images are just reinforcement so I don’t really care if it’s AI. Not everyone can draw.
And what about the theft and abuse of creators that was required to create the AI in the first place? If we’re just going to steal shit, we don’t even need the AI, we can just steal shit from each other.
Well, this image isn’t being used commercially so no one is making money off of it. I think that seems like a fair use of AI. Similar to how people make memes with images they stole from the Internet
Human artists train using other artists work. Every avenue of human endeavour is based on what came before.
My own default style shares similarities with Barbara Canepa and Rumiko Takahashi. Why? Because, as a teen, I used to copy their stuff, trying to “unlock” the parts of it that I like.
If I was to directly copy an image, and say it was my own, then that crosses over into stealing. But that’s not what has happened here. And unless you get very specific with the prompts, it’s not likely to happen.
Okay, but did you literally illegally download the material in the first place? Did you violate licenses that you obtained the material under? Do you intentionally imitate specific artists so that casual observers can’t tell the difference and then fill the entire space with more shitty art using that style than any human artist could ever product, such that the original artist who developed it no longer has control over that style and has their future income devastated?
It’s not the same thing and you’d have to be willfully ignorant by this point to think that it is. All the major LLMs are “fruit of the poisonous tree.” They were trained using stolen data that they were not entitled to use for those purposes. The artists SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID for their work training the AI.
I don’t agree with your take, sorry.
To say that an artist should have exclusive control over a style is dangerous.
Every time there is a big upheaval in an industry, it affects people’s jobs in that sector. Henry Ford’s investments in automation, put a lot of small car manufacturers in a tricky position. It also led to cars being affordable for most American households.
I’m not unsympathetic, in fact I’m more than a little aware that AI will be taking over my sector, the software development jobs, within a couple of years (and unlike art, I can’t see any market for “hand-crafted” code!).
But, the genie can’t be put back in the bottle. There’s no possible positive that comes from “calling out” AI art whenever you see it. It doesn’t help artists - if anything we’ve seen artists having to go out of their way proving their work isn’t AI.
What if I told you that I trained my brain on copyrighted materials that I pirated from the Internet? I make games and I have for sure downloaded games I didn’t pay for and played them. I know I have used some of the mechanics from those games on my own. Am I a bad person?
nobody fucking cares. find a different thread to bitch about your made up problem. GO AWAY.
You can’t make me.
i can. it would just take some work.
just STFU dude. nobody cares
can we please keep this AI shit out of here
Don’t get upset about AI. It was just following orders.
Dont love the AI slop but appreciate the message
AI generated?
Yep, all the faces are disjointed from each other and seem generated separately. No soul at all
They should all have families
Just following orders…
I get that Lemmy foams at the mouth whenever AI is involved, but why are there multiple comments calling this AI? Text is all correct, fingers are all correct, am I missing something?
There are a lot of “you can tell by the way it is” type comments so I’ll be specific. Zoom in on the eyes of the Native American. Observe how the Union officer isn’t really gripping his arm with that hand. The little boy in the final panel is missing eye details.
There are some other telling details but those jump out right away.
ChatGPT has a limited set of styles it tends to use, so once you see it a few times the rest starts looking more like AI. Text is “correct”, but that font in particular really stands out to me. Very detailed styles like that are also rare if it’s not AI because it would be way more work than something simple, if someone was putting in that effort the concept would probably follow the visuals more rather than the other way around, the expressions of the characters and the directions they’re looking seem a little bit random like that aspect of it was an afterthought.
Overall I actually like AI but I don’t really like the way it’s used here, the visuals are too goofy for the serious topic to the point where it gives off a slightly sarcastic vibe, and they don’t add a lot to a concept that would probably otherwise be a screenshot of a tweet or something.
I think it is, look at the SS badges of the SS officer. And the artstyle in general is a tell.
The way the officers hold the people makes no sense. The hands are not bad overall but if you can do five pretty well then you wouldn’t suck at making the little kid’s hand- it’s wonky, if it were a person drawing you’d see a similar level of wonkiness on all hands not just that one. Also you would try to make things a bit more dramatic, if a person has this level of skill they probably can figure out gaze directions and enhance facial expressions a bit more to add to it.
I wonder what the prompts were. It reminds me of Shaun Tan
The entire “art style” reeks of ai. Just look at those faces. It looks more like a filter than a drawing.
I think the uncanny look is caused by the generator being mostly trained on photos or 3d cgi instead of actual drawings.
Edit: There’s also intent, which the generator couldn’t handle at all. These peoples gazes are pointing at very weird directions and their expressions don’t make any sense for the scene, or for what the image is supposed to convey.
The sheriff looks like he’s being portrayed as tough, manly, and cool, while the native american is waiting for someone. The creepy SS officer is actually kind of okay, but the concentration camp victim is afraid of a scooby doo ghost. ICE dude is tired and waiting for his shift to end. The three people under him (why suddenly three?) have a “sad” expression that’s more cartoony than serious.
indian guy has one eye looking up and the other eye looking down
The new openai model is very good at all these details, so it’s hard to tell. I also think this is AI i cant explain why though, it just looks AI to me.
Signature is missing
Wonky-ass gen slop. It looks terrible.
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