Years and years of Christianity and Catholics hating or just tolerating each other. I know first hand. My Dad Catholic, follows the Vatican and the pope word for word… tries to at least. My Mum raised Baptist and now, I have no idea. It’s all the same to me at the end of day. My family is a rainbow of all Christian/Catholic depending on the side of family.
I get the quote but it was The Church of England that made this claim. It was necessary at the time because catholicity was important to people at the time who largely believed what the Holy See claimed was fact. If the CoE was the one true church then Henry’s sacking of Roman Catholic churches and monasteries to finance his wars and debts was righteous.
That’s a common lie Protestant pastors tell their congregations in order to create an enmity between their people and Catholics. They do it for other Christian denominations too, like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists.
Can’t have their income source go to a competing church, now can they?
A lot of Bircher types were set off by the election of JFK. There were people who were genuinely concerned he was controlled by the pope. The current iteration of the KKK is about the least anti-Catholic it has ever been, historically they were extremely vocal advocates in favor of public education and not having religion in schools solely due to the popularity of Catholic schools.
I definitely heard things very similar to what OwlPizza’s family said in Sunday school.
I’m not sure where you’re getting that information, Christian is not a new word. It’s literally biblical. You could make an argument that it’s a 1500s word but that’s a little spurious considering alternative forms such as Cristien and Cristen appear far earlier.
The link you posted literally proves my point. Christian has been used as an encompassing term for followers of Jesus Christ for the last 100 years the terms you posted sound the same but mean two very different things.
I posted three sources and you evidently did not read any of them. The latest of the three sources is the exact same variant as modern use and dated 1500s, which is slightly more than the 100 years ago you’re claiming.
When I said it was a biblical term I was being entirely literal. King James translation circa 1610, Acts 11:26:
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Christian Science as the name of a religious sect is from 1863. Is the first historical use of the word.The ch- form, regular since c. 1500 in English, was rare before. This is from YOUR source. Lastly, You quoting a religious text as historical is literally showing the lack of critical thinking skills necessary to read said doctrine.
You are very bad at trolling. Try reading the first sentence of the source instead of skipping to a related etymology. Use of a word in a 1610 text is concrete evidence of use of that word existing in 1610, regardless of any other claims that text makes; if it read “Martians ate my baby” that would be concrete evidence of the word “Martians” being used but not of Martians existing.
No, when they first started they were called Christians as Christian means follower of Christ whereas catholic means universal. The church now referred to as The Roman. Catholic Church got that name after the Great Schism.
Pope’s are Catholic. Christian don’t have pope.
Years and years of Christianity and Catholics hating or just tolerating each other. I know first hand. My Dad Catholic, follows the Vatican and the pope word for word… tries to at least. My Mum raised Baptist and now, I have no idea. It’s all the same to me at the end of day. My family is a rainbow of all Christian/Catholic depending on the side of family.
Catholics are Christian, but they aren’t Protestant.
Considering the thing thing that Protestants protested was catholic rule….
It would be awkward if they were.
Catholicity, namely that your church is the unbroken chain back to St Peter, is claimed by several denominations not just Roman Catholics
Including the Protestant episcopal church that considers itself catholic.
That’s because it is part of the Anglican communion who actually make that claim.
Peoples front of Catholicism NOT the Catholic people’s front
I get the quote but it was The Church of England that made this claim. It was necessary at the time because catholicity was important to people at the time who largely believed what the Holy See claimed was fact. If the CoE was the one true church then Henry’s sacking of Roman Catholic churches and monasteries to finance his wars and debts was righteous.
I am fairly aware, I was raised in the church and my dad is an episcopal priest.
The history of the church was the last “fun” thing about church for me.
I said this to my Dad before and drilled me how Catholics are not Christian and my Mum will say the same.
You’re probably right, my parents are crazy in my eyes. How they got married at all is a “miracle” lol
Wonder who the guy on the Catholics’ cross is then
Probably not Republican White Jesus, which is why some would consider them not Christian.
Absolutely guessing. I’m not an American so these weirdo Republicans don’t make sense to me.
That’s a common lie Protestant pastors tell their congregations in order to create an enmity between their people and Catholics. They do it for other Christian denominations too, like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists.
Can’t have their income source go to a competing church, now can they?
Dafuq are protestants like in the USA? Protestants in Europe are usually quite liberal and do not antagonise any other faith.
Protestants are generally militantly conservative in America. Look into Southern Baptists for an example.
Yeah - what SaintOwlPizza is saying is an extremely common belief in the American South.
A lot of Bircher types were set off by the election of JFK. There were people who were genuinely concerned he was controlled by the pope. The current iteration of the KKK is about the least anti-Catholic it has ever been, historically they were extremely vocal advocates in favor of public education and not having religion in schools solely due to the popularity of Catholic schools.
I definitely heard things very similar to what OwlPizza’s family said in Sunday school.
Your parents are incredibly incorrect on this. Maybe try google.
How I was brought up and yes I agree.
Information is wrong, I see other replies with accurate information. I can tell them, but they are stuck in their ways.
Now that there is some classic American anti-Catholic sentiment.
Christian is actually a fairly new all encompassing word. Like Muslim there’s actually a ton of different “Christians”
I’m not sure where you’re getting that information, Christian is not a new word. It’s literally biblical. You could make an argument that it’s a 1500s word but that’s a little spurious considering alternative forms such as Cristien and Cristen appear far earlier.
Edit: Christian, “1520s”, etymonline; Cristien, “c1300”, Middle English Compendium; Christen, “pre-1150”, OED (potentially referencing modern definition of baptising rather than religious follower, paywalled so can’t double check that one)
The link you posted literally proves my point. Christian has been used as an encompassing term for followers of Jesus Christ for the last 100 years the terms you posted sound the same but mean two very different things.
I posted three sources and you evidently did not read any of them. The latest of the three sources is the exact same variant as modern use and dated 1500s, which is slightly more than the 100 years ago you’re claiming.
When I said it was a biblical term I was being entirely literal. King James translation circa 1610, Acts 11:26:
Christian Science as the name of a religious sect is from 1863. Is the first historical use of the word.The ch- form, regular since c. 1500 in English, was rare before. This is from YOUR source. Lastly, You quoting a religious text as historical is literally showing the lack of critical thinking skills necessary to read said doctrine.
You are very bad at trolling. Try reading the first sentence of the source instead of skipping to a related etymology. Use of a word in a 1610 text is concrete evidence of use of that word existing in 1610, regardless of any other claims that text makes; if it read “Martians ate my baby” that would be concrete evidence of the word “Martians” being used but not of Martians existing.
“Regardless of the evidence I put forth” OK gl with that in your thesis defence
There are several different denominations within Christianity but they are all Christians.
That’s the point.
When they first started they started as catholics. When then church was first established.
No, when they first started they were called Christians as Christian means follower of Christ whereas catholic means universal. The church now referred to as The Roman. Catholic Church got that name after the Great Schism.
That is an English word. You have no evidence put forth buy legitimate historians.
Fairly new meaning almost two millennia?
Early greek christians already called themselves Χρῑστῐᾱνός (christianos)
Lemme get this straight, 2 millenia they’ve been praising a guy before he was born??? Just asking…