Imagine my surprise reading this on the LA Times this morning (emphasis mine):
“I would not acknowledge reproduction as a human right, but instead as a form of rape,” IndictEvolution wrote on Lemmy.World in July 2023. “I am also not bothered by infanticide as long as it is done humanely…”
Here is an archive of the article.
Here is his account.
It looks like he only stayed on Lemmy for about a month, most likely a temporary Reddit exile with the earliest exodus on June 2023. The article mentions threads on Reddit but doesn’t provide any quotes from there. User IndictEvolution on Reddit deleted their account, and the article makes it sound like they are referring to a different username that they don’t specify.
Hmmm, how did they find out?
100% guarantee that he also had a Steam account and wore pants at some point in his life.
100% of people who consume water die!
Oh damn, i just hydrated myself
“Looking for a man who recently drank milk?”
Our very first terrorist. We’re going places boyos. Just hope this doesn’t bring like minded people here, especially since reddit banned that sub, and Lemmy’s is still up.
We’re still so young, we haven’t even killed anyone yet.
quick edit: I do have suggestions tho
I love how quickly lemmy.world speed ran the aesthetically lib to fash redditor pipeline problem without even a profit motive behind them.
I mean lemmy.world aims to be Reddit 2, and reddit had jailbait, fatpeoplehate, the_donald, keeps Gamergate subreddits open, r/conspiracy, and so many more horrid things kept up because it made more clicks.
So why wouldn’t lemmy.world keep an active terrorist on board? Think of the potential money to be made.
Maximizing the MAU and pLTV of a niche internet forum for the love of the game.
We’re hittin the big time boys!
We did it Reddit!
Woop! We made mass violence perp level!
Preemptively bombing a fertility clinic as a last resort.
Fucking wild that Lemmy made it on mainstream news… of course it had to be some stormfrontian to get it to that stage…
If I had to choose between a bomber and something like r/jailbait (which was the medias first big look at reddit) as the sites big first exposure to the world, I’m going for the bomber every time.
It is not called stormfront.world for nothing
Who calls it that? ?
Typically Leftists on the various Lemmy instances.
But that’s me! I guess world is p heavy with the liberal apologia, so I can see it.
The defining trait of Stormfront of course being its liberal apologia. These people are not grounded in reality and just need to keep finding more extreme labels for the people that did them wrong.
No but liberals, esp centrists, have a much higher tolerance for fascist ideology, esp cryptofascism.
It’s like when people just don’t perceive how awful racist dogwhistles like DEI, globalist, thug, etc.
I agree the term goes too far. I just see the connection. Most liberals are well meaning patsies, but they have a line.
The last 18 months have made me increasingly skeptical that they actually do have a line.
That’s an absurd level of connection though. It’s blown right past the mild hyperbole of calling Twitter a Nazi site because it doesn’t ban Nazis, past calling your Fox News uncle a Nazi for voting to “stop the caravan”, through labeling MSNBC a Nazi station because it buys into the “break the conservative fever” myth, and into the territory of “everyone who doesn’t agree with me is an actively organizing Nazi”.
Stormfront isn’t a site for “well meaning patsies” and calling .world a Nazi site is just making up a heroic story for why the fascist at 7/11 kicked you out because he hates communism rather than because you were being an asshole to everyone else in the store.
Usually is more common on Hexbear and other more explicitly Leftist instances, I don’t typically frequent slrpnk.net so I am not sure if that terminology has spread there. If it hasn’t, it’s likely due to defederation and whatnot, IMO. Just spitballing, but I’ve seen stormfront.world frequently enough.
I normally just call them Axis.world
Lemmy.world? The instance of misanthropic baby killing terrorists?
Least fascist lemmy.world user 💀
I think I am a world user, it was just the top of a drop down menu when I created my lemmy. God damn it.
You’ve got nothing to worry about. It’s the largest instance. There’s no particular stigma for users on it. Unlike there is for the more ideologically selected instances, like .ml.
Oh there’s a stigma alright.
I feel a little bit like I was duped by ml. Chose it because the devs were here, but I haven’t thought about the top level domain until I saw their profile pictures. Now, I’m no stranger to leftist views, but I’m pretty far from being ml. I might switch if things get ugly, but I can take some minor stigma for a while longer.
You could also use it as a learning opportunity, explore Marxist thinking and viewpoints.
Lemmy.world is also ideologically selected, they deliberately defederated from the larger explicitly Marxist-aligned instances. Lemm.ee is an example of an instance that tries to be more ideologically neutral, .world is openly liberal aligned.
It’s also run by Europeans so they decided to stomp down on discussions of jury nullification around the time somebody (I didn’t believe it was Luigi) ventilated that healthcare CEO’s head. Which is why I changed instances. Jury nullification is the last tool available to an oppressed citizenry to fight back against unjust laws and/or unjust applications of law.
They’re a huge instance most people joined by default. No one sane thinks a .world account means anything about the person posting under it, except maybe they just went along with the pseudo-default.
You guys think there’s a big rivalry and anyone who hasn’t rebelled against the unjust persecution of the tankiest instances must have cast their lot in with the enemy, but in reality no one really thinks about it at all.
I don’t judge people based on their instance at an individual level, that’s not my point. Like you said, most on Lemmy.world picked it because it’s the largest instance. However, the moderation and admins do have an ideological bent, and over time this filters out users that don’t “fit in” with that, leading to an “average user” with views aligning with the average mods and admins.
I don’t really care ahout inter-instance drama, it’s not that deep. But I do notice trends and I understand how soft-censorship works and how consent is manufactured. Plus, there are terminally online users on Lemmy.world that do see all Marxists as enemies and wish to take down Lemmy.ml, so that does exist, and is tolerated by Lemmy.world mods and admins.
Then there’s me, who joined .world because it was the largest, is a Marxist, but has no idea how to even switch instances or access .ml where I would like to be 😂
Personally, I try to stick to instances that will only defederate from others if there are major, serious issues, like illegal content and what not, and that are also not largely defederated by other instances. That way, I get to have a more complete experience of Lemmy / the threadiverse without missing out on major chunks of it. I think it’s counterproductive that the majority of instances defederate major, legitimate instances, especially now that the Lemmy software allows each individual user to block entire instances if they wish to. This only serves to weaken the threadiverse as an alternative to other major discussion sites. It’s even possible for instances to issue default instance blocks on new accounts if they are worried about the new user experience, removeable by the users themselves if they so wish (like lemmy.zip seems to be doing).
The main instances that I’ve found so far that seem to follow this “defederation only as a last resort” philosophy are the following:
- lemmy.ml (although this one is a bit risky for this purpose because there is constant lobbying on liberal instances to start blocking it, despite it being the original and reference Lemmy instance)
- lemm.ee (my main instance, appears to have the second fewest defederations of other instances)
- lemmy.zip (they don’t defederate from much - third fewest out of this list - but I understand that new accounts have for instance hexbear and lemmygrad automatically blocked, which each individual user can unblock)
- lemmy.sdf.org (they defederate from the fewest instances that I’m aware of - the only defederation they currently have seems to be due to technical issues arising from a dead instance)
If you would like to keep contact with the broader range of Lemmy instances, these are the ones I would look into. You can check which instances any Lemmy site defederates from by visiting <site URL>/instances and clicking the “Blocked Instances” tab.
I chose my instance because it wasn’t defederated by .world and hadn’t defederated from hexbear or .ml https://midwest.social/instances
I like my leftism but I also like my slop.
You can just make an account! Go to Lemmy.ml, or whichever other instance you’d like such as Hexbear.net or Lemmygrad.ml, and apply for an account. You can’t really swap over, but you can create a new account and log in that way.
I do think it would be better if people spread out a bit more though. I don’t believe it’s healthy for our communities to have any instance approaching “default” startus.
The irony is almost too much coming from a .ml account…
Irony is when anti fascists call people fascists, apparently
Inb4 muh red fascism.
Great deal of propaganda comes from trying to make anti fascists as bad as fascists themselves
Blackshirts and Reds is extremely relevant.
Uneducated ramblings about horseshoe theory have entered the chat…
It’s a propaganda technique that dates back to the Nazis themselves
? This instance has been doing a pretty good job banning reactionaries so far
Fascism is when you advocate for the poor to not get utterly fucked
Removed by mod
Holy shit, that is just pure racism. Good way to prove their point, you dingus.
Here’s one for example
Least racist lib
The next terrorist to come from lemmy better not be another edgy fash loser. Do better.
Must be pretty embarrassing for .ml that shitlib central got a terrorist before they did, ngl.
I disagree. terrorism and accelerationism are not needed and do more harm than good. The idea that you can just commit political violence and solve your problems is too tempting to angry people, who then believe that the actually successful tactics like organizing are not necessary. It’s taking the easy way out and usually just turns more people against you.
Of course, violence to protect people from the violence of the fascists is entirely acceptable and to be lauded.
I think they’re joking lol
Well, some adventurism seems to have some positive effect though. Look at how taking down the UHC pig is being received by the public. Could be used to radicalise some people perhaps
Eco or better!
I dk what’s better than eco.
Some Willem Van Spronsen type stuff maybe?
attempted to ignite a large propane tank and set our ( pro profit detention center) buildings on fire"
Spronsen said that “it’s time to take action against the forces of evil”, citing “highly profitable detention/concentration camps and a battle over the semantics”.
Dude was a carpenter too. Is this what they call based?
Old school like Narodnaya Volya perhaps.
That was quite a read. Going to need to watch some youtube on this but concerned it may lead certain names going up on “The list”
Not beating the Reddit.world accusations. 😏
But have you considered .ML is evil tankie!?!!?
I can bet .ml is considered a bigger threat.
“Tankies are a serious threat to domestic and international politics. Please ignore that only 1% of all people know what that is. Also let us actively keep a terrorist and retroactively remove their comments before it became news, because the FBI made us.”
it’s cool that Mali (.ml) is one of the Sahel states that’s rejecting imperialism and ML also happens to stand for marxism-leninism
We need to step up our game. Quickly kill some white rich people, there’s nothing more evil than that!
you openly supporting killing white rich people?
I support treating rich white people the way you advocate for treating Palestinians.
I’m not native english speaker but I think the joke is pretty clear.
Nostradamus
Wait! Choose which fat old white guys. Don’t leave it to chance!
I mean it is but this was about .world
The point is to show that anticommunists complain about Lemmy.ml like McCarthy, but it ended up being a Lemmy.world mod that committed Malthusian terrorism.
The point was that people complain about something going on in .ml but something unrelated happened with .world?
Lemmy.world frequently calls Lemmy.ml evil, yet to our knowledge only a Lemmy.world mod has gone on to become a domestic terrorist, a Malthusian no less. It points to hypocricy.
Many more ways to be evil than just being a terrorist though
Let me guess, you think being a Marxist is evil?
.ml user used whataboutism as taught by putins ministry of copeaganda. It’s not very effective.
It’s very impressive how brainwashed shitlibs are that they think the concept of “pointing out blatant double standards” was invented by a man who is younger than the current and previous US presidents.
Seems to be pretty effective, sitting at 76 upvotes and 9 downvotes as viewed from Lemmy.ml. Seems the random and baseless assertion of Russian propaganda is less effective.
Believe it or not, Lemmy.ml is federated with many instances.
Big if true
I think theyre embracing the comparison
Oh fuck they’re going to call us all extremists
You think that quote’s bad, you should see what they’re saying on Xitter
Soooo… What are they saying? I don’t have xitter…
I’m glad I’m not there. I only ever had a Twitter account when I made a bot that fact check replied every post of Trump’s around 2016, then I deleted it.
We’ll have to push back with pointing to the decentralized nature of the fediverse, and that there’s gonna be crazies on some instances. I always use email as an analogy when explaining Lemmy, maybe we could continue that and argue you wouldn’t blame all of email infrastructure if an extremist had a gmail or Hotmail or whatever.
Actually now that I read that, it just might be more confusing. But there’s gotta be a counter angle to argue to get ahead of people thinking “Lemmy=bad”
Also even if the cops shut down world, people will just … move. Like yours and my instances don’t even have the word “lemmy” in the domain. I don’t think anyone would care beyond “we shut down that radical forum.”
Though most likely is it goes completely unnoticed and some bombing or shooting or human rights abuse next week will shoves it down the memory hole for good.
It would not bode well for the future of discourse if lemmy.world of all places gets shut down for radicalism. Our instance is significantly more radical than lemmy.world. Can you imagine some ecofascist idiot who posted on slrpnk.net a couple times committing a terror attack and getting the instance taken down? I can, which is why this news should be very concerning.
Edit: Just looked through some of the bomber’s comments and their replies and some users even pointed out that his rhetoric was reminiscent of ecofascism. Anti-natalism and ecofascism are ideological siblings. The backlash to this attack is going to catch environmentalist groups in the crossfire, with many environmental activists being accused of having anti-natalist views. Anyone who’s ever advocated for degrowth might get lumped in with them.
some bombing or shooting or human rights abuse next week will shoves it down the memory hole for good.
Next week? Try last night in DC. I’m doubting this will even register tbh
It’s funny because even of the people I know, it’s actually like “lemmy=what?” Even of the people I’ve talked to about it.
They’re so painfully disinterested, they usually tune out after the first five words of my fediverse elevator pitch.
This person was removed as the sole mod for [email protected] three days ago.
Edit to add:
- NBC: Reddit bans an anti-natalist group after Palm Springs explosion.
- The Intercept: What is “Efilism,” the Obscure Anti-Natalist Ideology of the Palm Springs Bomber?
- Rolling Stone: Palm Springs Bombing Suspect Apparently Promoted Human Extinction
- https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://old.reddit.com/r/efilism
- https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/https://old.reddit.com/user/UraniumTetrachloride
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He’s still the sole mod for [email protected] and [email protected], though those communities never really got off the ground.Man this will probably hurt the amateur chemistry community due to overreacting crackdowns, even though this is one guy who was part of that community and plenty of other people have done bombings without any interest whatsoever in amateur chem. I do think the community needs more moderation given how frequently I see dumbasses on reddit doing some extremely dangerous shit without realizing it, but this will probably get any discussion of fun chemistry banned everywhere.
Mander.xyz is a better instance for science than Lemmy.world anyways.
wtf? being a domestic terrorist is not against lemmy.world rules as long as you don’t do it on the site…
lmao
Wow. Now there’s a bunch of people who should never have been born. Too bad they’ve gotta make it everyone else’s problem
here comes the influx of fascists i guess?
when they come looking for the dangerous hacker known as lemmy.world
Lock it down!
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