I’m sorry you’re getting the thoughts you didn’t vote, but I’ll admit I’m very much in the “Enjoy the collapse, losers!” territory so at least I’ll express mine, hopefully it helps make sense, and honestly, I appreciate your feeling to try to do better. If you figure out a way to move forward, fantastic. I just remember the top post of a comment when Trump won however and it so truly fits, “I’m tired, boss.”

I have been fighting to get people to vote for years, trying to keep them involved. Not trying to get to vote every 4 years, but every year, local stuff, this shit is important, people need to stay up on it. I’m considered a news hound amongst people I know… I listen to the morning news on the 30 minute commute to work, that’s how much time I put in to the news, that’s it. It’s not hard. Some days I say fuck it and listen to an audiobook.

People I’ve known who vote R, lets be honest, they went through the last Trump era and learned nothing. I remember back in the W. era people saying it should be illegal to speak against the president, who turned around and called Obama a muslim who should be deported. End of Trump era I knew republicans who were just starting to get it, maybe healthcare is fucked, maybe a lot of big corpo things are the problem… but immediately turned around and jumped right back in to Trumps circle the moment it came around “I couldn’t just vote for Kamala” just like “I just couldn’t vote for Hillary” and so on. Hell my state voted to repeal the strictest abortion ban and make abortion legal in the state, but still voted pretty much straight R despite a history of the party overturning ballot initiatives “Because the voters didn’t know what they were voting for.” So yes… after years of this, there’s the tribal “If you’re republican, you can go fuck yourself with a pineapple” especially as this collapse is coming.

On the non-voters. I’m sorry, I consider them just as culpable. In 2016 at least Trump was a… well anyone who paid fifteen minutes of attention knew what he was about but fuck it, I’ll give the people who said “Fuck it lets try something new” a bit of a pass. This time, there were no surprises on the table. You had Kamala, which yes was about as dead standard democrat as you got, and you got Project 2025 Trump back with a vengeance. Those that say “I didn’t vote for Trump” but by doing so stayed home gave their voice to “meh” and whatever happens they agreed to it. People I directly know who were in this, I know of one at least in a gay marriage, a few hispanic workers, and a trans individual, all who were “I’m just not interested in politics.” Well, suddenly they’re REALLY interested in politics. And many wanting to “rise up”, well I’m not going to trust someone who couldn’t be faffed to even do the basic fucking minimum to try to prevent things to watch my back when shit hits the fan.

So yes, we’re all hosed and anyone who didn’t see it coming had their heads so far up their own asses in the past 8 years they’ve proven they can’t be taught. I’m sitting in the fire too, I’m not going to like the collapse. But after years of the fighting and still witnessing the apathy, my empathy is dead. The tribalism is useful, these were the people who were willing to do the basic minimum to resist, so maybe we can actually help each other. I’ll help them as I can. The others I expressed about, no, I don’t want bad to happen… but at least the schadenfreude can be a little bit of light through some very dark times coming. Don’t weep for the stupid, you’ll be crying all day.

You didn’t vote. So enjoy the collapse

You should have voted then lmao

Here you go

If they really wanted this to work it should be something like a steadily increasing tariff over time instead of 25% right off the bat. But I don’t think they really care about it working as intended.

And even if there were American made alternatives, they’d still be more expensive than importing.

Enjoy your higher prices, suckers.

It wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t get fucked by proxy of America electing an old senile fascist.

I am Canadian and I will feel Trump’s presidency for a while

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He doesn’t give a fuck about anything. It’s so tiring that people assume that he is rational and he cares.

Why the fuck would you want to go back to Ohio?

That state sucks balls.

Canada’s boss move is to remove the intellectual property laws that the US asked for and let Canadian companies and consumers thrive again.

Canada shouldn’t retaliate with US tariffs

Exactly, clearly they’ll still pay for it if it’s important enough to exempt. In Canada’s case we could give Alberta the extra revenue just so they won’t get too cranky.

Keep going higher, i bet Canada imports more from US than exports.

You aren’t already?

Part of me thinks this is so they have an easy way to drop prices after people get used to everything costing more

This is a technique commonly employed by Sisi in Egypt so while it’d be surprising that America sunk that low that quickly I can see it happening. And by the way, yes America is now being compared to Egypt out of all countries so… Uh… Good luck.

It’s already destroyed.

Not by him, his threats and tariffs are old news. By the people - The People, the royal We - who actively, unironically and with great power of democracy, chose an aggressive, compromised, and stupid fascist with ample evidence that this, hate, and war were a consequence.

Because the hate and apathy was stronger I guess. For electing a woman. For people being bullied by a juvenile government wielding adult violence for who they aren’t - a cis white right male.

They went to the dark side and joined a tri-polar world of evils to bully and rape the rest of us until we all burn to death. So yeah.

Never again.

Part of me thinks this is so they have an easy way to drop prices after people get used to everything costing more

Trump is running the US the same way I ran my cities in SimCity2000

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Even if they do, I expect that businesses won’t drop their prices much. If the consumers have gotten used to it, it’s free money for the business. Same with the supply chain issue pricing from COVID.

WAY more. We import a lot of food from Mexico as is, and the immigration and ethnic clensing the Trump goverment is engaging in is already forcing farmers to watch their crops rot on the ground with no one to harvest them. So we’re following in the great tradition of Stalin and Pol Pot, we have a dumb fucking asshole with a hard on for ‘‘strong man tactics’’ demanding we change how we get food in many extreme ways immediately, you know, instead of gradual change, so we’ll all get to see what an artifical famine looks like! Do you think Trump will let other nations send us emergency rations so we won’t die? Or will he confiscate them at a dock or border and have them dumped into the ocean so he doesn’t look weak? North Korea knows.

I can’t believe some people think that putting tariffs on a country means the country will just give the government 25% of everything and the merchants of that country are not just going to raise the prices to match the new expenses(or maybe even a little bit more since they have a good excuse to change prices).

I guess I can stand to eat a bit less, we can call it the economic collapse of the US diet! Just think of all the profits from the diet books! To bad they are going to cost 30% more now that my Mexican publisher is paying a tarrif to bring the books into the US. That’s OK, spending more money on the book just means that you won’t be able to afford as much food, making the diet work even better!

It will unless it can come from somewhere else.

I don’t doubt he thinks that’s possible, but what every one who repeats this idea seems to not grasp is that the US doesn’t manufacture consumer goods, and increasingly we aren’t able to farm our own food, particularly right the fuck now while we’re depopulating the country of farm labor. There’s nothing here to replace what we can’t get now. There’s no American alternative. We don’t do that, we pay other people to do it in a country with no labor protections and garbage pay and economy. No one wants to start manufacturing anything new right now in the US because it will become even less profitable the second the moron is out of office and all this stops, then there’s the fact that even if we had people who wanted to start doing all this manufacturing, it would take them often more than 5-10 years to get off the ground and that’s not even getting into finding labor in the US to do this work. While we’re being depopulated. Apparently the 1m dead from Covid simply wasn’t enough.

American ruling class, “Oh would you look at that, we just found a 24.99999% price hike that we definitely have to do because economy. Still cheaper though than the Canadian and Mexican imports.”

It’s just the rest of America that is going to get fucked.

But wages will go up because more stuff will be made in the US! /S (Basically my father’s argument)

The problem with these kinds of conspiracy theories is that it assumes the conspirators are hyper-competent people.

It’s far more plausible that they’re just idiots.

Yes, but i don’t believe trump KNOWS that. Instead he’s been told to do this.

i come from a tariff heavy country. you want a sneak peak? inflation. shit is gonna get more expensive. that’s it

Obviously I want to see Trump fail spectacularly, but it fucking sucks that would harm those of us who can least afford it.

I thought that was the plan…

Seems like Trump is trying to get rid of the income tax. He can’t just do that with an EO order though, congress has to do it.

He can do all these tariffs though, which will act as a quasi sales tax. And when everything starts to become more expensive, which will be blamed on something else, he will say he’s not removing the tariffs and congress should just get rid of the income tax to help people. He will say, look we are making so much money off tariffs and we have reduced government jobs by so much, we don’t need an income tax anymore anyways!

Canada and Mexico are still part of that North American free trade agreement thing. We (Canada) will just get our food from Mexico and South America like we’ve always done. We’ll just skip America.

I live in Texas, and it’s hard to overstate how much of our produce is imported from Mexico. This would be an almost immediate 25% price hike on food that basically can’t be grown at scale here because we don’t have Mexico’s climate. Surely he’d exempt food from whatever he’s about to do. Right…?

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Nah, EU likes them avocados and fruit too, especially in winter.

Looking forward to cheaper maple syrup!

Master of negotiations!