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Old guys need to pass the torch for their brands to stay relevant.
It’s a selfish act to be 80 whatever with this much political capital and not have been developing protégés with whom to share and support.
Biden should be on a rocking chair sipping a lemonade for the rest of his life at this point, maybe calling in favors as necessary for a 40 or 50-year-old high energy leader who actually has to live in the future he creates.
i want to cry that this needed to be said
Democrats are handing Trump another term on a silver platter. But I don’t expect them to do much soul searching if it happens. I expect them to just shift the blame onto everything else.
Swing voters and those who haven’t decided yet often make the difference. I don’t believe for a second they will turn out in droves for Biden. He is not the guy. If he’s like this now, what’s he going to be like in 4 years time?
If the Dems had a young firebrand type as a presidential candidate who could really take Trump to task, I think they’d walk the election.
If Trump wins there could be a major realignment of parties in the near future.
I’m confused why people don’t consider the idea of Kamala taking over if Biden does win and steps down. I know she’s not popular, but it’s like everyone forgets our system can handle the president being incapacitated.
Probably doesn’t help that the administration has used Kamala as the bearer of bad news. Any time bad news gets released, it’s coming from Kamala instead of Biden. Because the administration wants to keep Biden’s nose clean, but that comes at the expense of Kamala.
She also does not excite voters tho. Don’t get me wrong, better than trump sure, but no one wants a cop in the white house.
The president is like one of the highest ranking cops in government.
Would Kamala beat Trump in the election?
I don’t think she has polled well, but who knows. Drives me fucking insane that a convicted felon that staged an attempted coup is polling better than anyone to begin with
She self-imploded her own primary campaign, so no.
2016 part two
Lol yeah pretty much. Just got round to watching the highlights today and what a joke. Nobody even bothers to mention democracy or freedom any more because now its pure politics. It’s been perfected to the point that it finally bears no resemblance to human nature whatsoever.
Well, to be fair, you said you only watched the highlights.
I guarantee you that none of the normal question and answer sections made it into the highlights reel.
Both candidates said plenty of substance through the night.
The whole debate was designed to generate clips. One minute responses is a terrible format. All the responses were just high energy rapid fire buzzwords with no real substance.
Should we have them just explain their platforms for an hour each uninterrupted? Kinda like campaigning?
Honestly I don’t know how much better I could do than biden in an argument with trump. His look of just complete confusion as trump just continued to say complete nonsense was pretty much the same look I had listening to it.
really fair, it’s certainly an uncommon skill but it’s definitely a skill we should be able to expect of our literal leaders
Imagine if Trump had been debating John Stewart
Imagine downvoting “I think the President should be good at public speaking”
I think you can do a lot better than he did, any of us could. Just look at the transcript here. ctrl+f for “golf”. You’re gonna tell me you don’t have a better response than Biden here?
I’m just gonna come up with 5 things right now Biden could’ve said:
- “I don’t think the American people care how good my opponent’s golf game is. They care if he can run the country, and as you can tell from his answer he doesn’t even remember what that involves.”
- “Again with the cognitive tests. No one asked whether you took a cognitive test Donald. But if you wanna brag about it, at least release them to the public so we can see if you actually passed.”
- “I think everyone’s seen enough from both of our 4 years in the white house - they can see I’m focused on the economy and foreign policy, while he was focused on golf as he still is.”
- “I’ll fully concede that he’s a better golfer than me. After all, he spent so much of his last administration practicing.”
- “This guy claims he won two club championships at the age of 82? Does anyone seriously believe that? This guy is delusional folks.”
Instead Biden talked about his height (which he didn’t mention) and challenged him to a driving contest. WTF. I recognize how bad this would’ve sounded before yesterday, but literally any random person we pick from this thread has better odds than Biden at this point.
Trump did absolutely horribly. His answers can be fairly described as completely and transparently delusional. But Biden managed to make him look good.
But this was bog-standard Trump for his entire political career. Gish galloping is what he does. This shouldn’t have been a surprised Pikachu moment.
The man couldn’t even properly answer the abortion questions, I seriously hope you’d do better than that.
He did OKAY on the abortion question, but then incoherently rambled for a few seconds and somehow brought immigration up. Still better than Trump’s response.
You had one person trying to listen, keep track and respond earnestly to each point of a serial liar, and struggling to do it.
The serial liar would make one statement making light of the last thing that was said and then confidently go off on whatever they wanted.
We’ve seen before that Americans want a confident but evil self-serving idiot over a tepid but smart, compassionate leader.
Next morning Edit: My one hope is that the news of Grants Pass, EPA SCOTUS decisions show the real consequences of electing Trump.
a tepid but smart, compassionate leader.
Is that really what you saw on that stage tonight? I saw a guy who lost his car keys because he was so angry at those kids on his lawn. Whether or not the narrative on Biden is fair, he just totally legitimized it.
I get what you’re saying about debating with Trump, or any Republican really. Debate is a lot easier when you care nothing for the truth. Overcoming that is the Democratic candidate’s job. That’s what Biden signed up to do. That’s what the Democrats picked him to do. A candidate who can’t function in that situation has no business on that stage. There are a great many Democrats who could have wiped the floor with Trump.
Yes, he is smart, and showed great intelligence, but in this instance severely underperformed in his ability to communicate clearly, like someone having a panic attack at a presentation. If you read a transcript of the debate it would be clear who is a leader and who is a clown. The raspy cold voice compounded things but those are all superficial elements, not on the substance (which Trump had nothing but lies and snide remarks).
I agree this isn’t what any Democrat including Biden wanted in the debate and AOC, Sanders would be way better orators. I’m saying regardless of tonight, Americans have picked before a charismatic comic in Reagan over a tepid, but smart, compassionate leader like Carter.
I saw a guy who didn’t just lose his car keys. He shouldn’t be allowed to drive period. America is so fucked and thus so is the rest of the world.
There are a great many Democrats who could have wiped the floor with Trump.
AOC would fucking shred him
I like AOC. Unfortunately the majority of people, due to innate racism or misogyny, won’t vote for her. One of the only reasons Biden is there is they know he’s the most likely to get votes from all over the country.
Kamala is the backup the party leadership chose.
I also think she wouldn’t win the vote. For similar reasons as AOC.
As can be seen by the first person to reply to your post.
She’s also a cop with a very unpalatable record. But yes, misogynoir is also a huge hurdle for her, as per that other comment
Gish Gallop, I don’t know why they even try against that crap
Biden used to be really good against that tactic, it’s why he won the debate in 2012 against Paul Ryan. Ryan gish galloped and Biden responded with a simple ‘POPPYCOCK!’. It worked.
To anyone thinking, “We surived one term of Trump. How bad can another one be?”
Very bad, as John Oliver points out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s
To anyone thinking “we survived one term of Trump, how bad can another one be?”
Read this:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
And then read this:https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2022/dec/us-maternal-health-divide-limited-services-worse-outcomes
A lot of us straight up didn’t survive one term of Trump
He said he’d be a dictator in day 1. How many dictators ever gave up power voluntarily? He’s going full fascist jan 21 if he wins.
This could literally be the last real election the US ever has.
Cincinnatus would.
This is why America needs a constitutional monarchy
Lmao. We’d just install the Sackler family.
Who?
The ones responsible for the Opioid crisis. They silenced reports that their drug was highly addictive, bribed the FDA, sold it directly to the people with kickbacks for doctors, and acted like it was just a bunch of junkies when the lawsuits started.
No, no, you don’t get it, letting fascism win is Making A Moral Stand. I have been assured of this many times on here.
please add /s
No /s, I have definitely been assured of it many times by commenters on the Fediverse.
I’m just not in agreement.
Video not available outside the USA, and yes, the rest of the world is very worried about Trump getting back into power.
It’s available in my non-US country. Probably there’s some local deal wherever you are (edit: using a restrictions checker app, the link is only blocked in Canada, UK, Australia, NZ, and Iceland, and available everywhere else)
They also go out of their way to put up whole episodes for non-US viewers (these are not available in the US) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCRySbsLKiA
Just… Why? Why make it avait everywhere EXCEPT Canada, UK, Australia, NZ… I hate regional blocking, fuck everything about it. Yeah, yeah, VPN might fix that, but why do I need to fuck arout to get the same as everyone else?
Usually it’s because they have a distribution deal with a local TV station in that country where the deal prohibits them from distributing it themselves. The local station wants you to watch it on their own streaming service. That would also explain why it’s mostly English-speaking countries since nowhere else would carry an English-centric news show like this.
Thanks for checking. I’m in NZ, and the link you posted is also blocked here.
I guess it’s because Sky TV ( branded as ‘neon’) owns the rights to that show in NZ so if you want to watch it you have to pay them money
https://www.neontv.co.nz/series/last-week-tonight-with-john-oliver
What is the app you used? That sounds super helpful to have in the toolbelt
I just googled “YouTube region block checker” and there were a bunch of results, I used the first one https://watannetwork.com/tools/blocked/
His voice is too annoying for me to listen too, unfortunately.
That’s a shame cause he is by far the best legacy from Jon’s Daily Show and HBO money lets him do all kinds of wacky shit
Yeah I’m so glad HBO gives him so much room. He’s able to go after people who would otherwise keep him tied up in court. I always miss the Colbert Report but this guy, who is definitely Bill Maher, is my other favorite.
Who is pretty much the opposite of Bill Maher you mean?
The only Maher I like is Skid from Glass Cannon
I love the part where the democratic leadership made sure there were no viable alternatives during the primary.
How did they do that?
For one thing, they didn’t have a primary candidate debate, which would have helped the challengers get some exposure.
Didn’t have a primary in FL at all.
Okay, and? What is your point?
This is just a misunderstanding of how primaries work and basic civics. There are Democratic primaries in FL. For Senate seats, House seats, etc. Those primary dates differ state-to-state, and Florida’s just so happen to take place in August. Nobody met the requirements to be submitted on the Florida ballot in time, and second to that, it wouldn’t have made a difference ultimately as we would come to find out since nobody achieved any competitive results in earlier primaries or in national polling.
There wasn’t a Primary for President because those who voluntarily threw their hat in the ring either (a) dropped out, (b) did not meet the minimum ballot requirements, or © Biden already earned enough votes for it to be irrelevant. Florida was never make-or-break for anyone else who, again, voluntarily threw their hat in the ring.
I was referring to the presidential primary (as that is the topic of discussion in this thread). Florida did not have one.
As was I, which I explained why it did not happen. Please read more closely.
Basic civics.
The “explanation” doesn’t change that it did not happen. My previous comment did not require a qualifier.
Basic reading comprehension.
Ok, cool? I simply gave context showing your factoid contributes nothing meaningful to the conversation.
None of these kids ever seem to know what they’re talking about. And the moment you point it out with any proof- they disappear to go post their shit elsewhere having not learned a thing.
It’s why I don’t bother anymore trying to persuade them with facts. I just call them out and move on.
Biden is the incumbent so obviously the only one that can possibly win. Crush all other prospects and tell them to wait their turn
Nobody stopped people from running, though. In fact people did run they just lost like primaries are supposed to work?
I get so tired of seeing people hand-wave away democracy like it’s some kind of amateur sport. This is not how fair and impartial primaries are ran. We can recognize the tech-monopolies and the unfair practices (and untold wealth) they use to squash competition but when it comes to elections? shrug
Even Bernie Sanders could’ve run again if he wanted to, but he chose not to. Nobody at the DNC “forced” him to not run as was suggested.
more hand-waving, “anyone can make a video platform”. No, you need infrastructure, SEO attention, Creators, etc etc. You don’t just “decide” to run in elections, the bar for entry is beyond anything a citizen or even most politicians can accrue. Bernie Sanders fell in line a long time ago with the same party he openly said was unfairly treating elections. Vote Biden if that’s your choice and I fully support that, but we need to stop sugar coating and pretending everything is A-ok in the DNC if we ever want an elected official who represents the average voter in the party.
More hand-waving, indeed.
Bernie Sanders whose convictions and experience are without question understands the game better than anyone here, I suspect.
I’m okay with saying the DNC has poor strategy. But that is independent from claiming they prevented anyone from running. So I say again, NOBODY FORCED anyone to NOT Run, and zero evidence to the contrary has been provided. This is an obvious wedge-driving issue that originates from right-wing and foreign operatives intending to wedge-drive the Democratic coalition. Please, don’t drink the kool-aid.
Pretty sure they dropped out one by one due to political pressure
Really? They didn’t drop out because of lackluster polling? Can you point to them rapidly rising in national approval ratings?
No candidate would ever win a primary against an incumbent president. Which is why the right decision would’ve been for Biden not to run.
Name one real option the democrats has promoted.
The fact is that the democratic Party went all in on Biden early one and has refused to promote anyone else
Yes there’s been a few candidates, but they are all largely unknown and no effort has been made to seriously bring them up.
It’s news to me that “democrats” (???) have to promote a candidate as opposed to a candidate running and captivating the primaries electorate… You know… As Barack Obama did in 2007.
Yes there’s been a few candidates, but they are all largely unknown and no effort has been made to seriously bring them up.
Well I’m sorry but beggars can’t be choosers.
You could’ve run; why didn’t you?
But this beside the point, considering the goalpost has moved a mile from “The DNC didn’t allow anyone else to run.” lol. People here need a lesson in basic civics, clearly.
cynically i feel the DNC might just dig in their heels and hope people memory hole this. because jesus fuck i sure want to, that was horrifying
People will memory hole it IF Biden does better in the future. The last thing that happened is always the only thing that matters in US elections.
I only got to see the closing statements. Biden looked worn down. Unconfident. Soft spoken. I could barely understand what he was saying and I had to turn on closed captioning.
Then Trump starts talking…and it’s all bullshit, but God if he doesn’t sound good spewing it.
America is fucked. The world is fucked. We’re all gonna die. Buckle in.
At this point what I think is happening is Joe has one of those old age bugs except this one specifically makes the brain to mouth communication issues that come with a stutter a lot worse.
Because communication seems to always be this guy’s biggest stumbling block, if this were just a report card comparison there wouldn’t be a race, he’s obviously still a competent guy as old as he is, the problem is that something’s going on that makes it way harder for him to adequately communicate that whenever he needs to.
That’s really the only way I can self reason why he then proceeded to be completely fine in the much lower pressure environment of his after debate rally.
Edit: report card not credit card, although personally I’m willing to bet that Joe’s credit score is way better than Donny’s too
I don’t even need Biden to be competent. Just surround himself with a competent cabinet. Which he has, and is why we’ve gotten so many wins and why Trump did so horribly in his first term.
Yeah, good thing all that matters for a president is the ability to have good ideas, and there is no need to be able to convey these ideas to other humans.
They’ll tell us that Joe did great, and that anyone thinking otherwise is being subliminally influenced by Russian propaganda.
He had a decent performance. I understand more about his policies and called trump a felon and a fat loser. That’s what I wanted out of it. Trump literally could not answer half of the questions because he was still rambling about the previous question.
Biden had a hoarse throat from a cold and a bit of a stutter but he turned on a dime when he was asked different questions. Both dudes are old af. The choice is: do you want senile grandpa who can’t answer the question or the guy who has a soft voice?
Biden’s clearly still with it but slower, and trump is clearly still nuts, possibly moreso. I choose Biden because he’s the only one who occasionally says things that make sense.
Thank fuck I’m not American. Now, if you’d excuse me, I must get ready for the potential imminent arrival of fascism in about 2 days in my country (France). Can’t wait to see the US fall as well! Wow! What a wonderful fucking world awaits us, huh? 💀
Shall we both bring out the guillotines? Or should start at setting things on fire? As an American, I’m not sure how your French protesting works, but I’m willing to learn.
As someone living in the UK, I’d also like to learn from the French
First you wait for an event that pulls a lot of media to your country like the Olympics, then you start fucking shit up
We are in the 4th turning. History repeats. The end of the 4th turning is a crisis. Call it mysticism but things are looking like a repeat of the 4 turnings in the past. Usually ends with war, disease, and famine before revolution.
Trump is the perfect representative of the US tourists we see here in Europe.
Not all, of course, because you don’t notice the quiet / decent ones. (Hey, just like the election , huh)
You forgot the golf argument they had towards the end
Trump is the only guy who would bury his ex-wife on his own golf course just so that he could continue to cheat on her.
Things I didn’t expect to read in Bloomberg Tax
What’s weird is part of me just wishes they’d just settle it in a golf match. 1 month practice, PGA rules. I don’t even like golf.
I literally had to turn it off. What was this golf argument?
Trump just said Biden sucks at golf, then Biden gave an incoherent response.
Oh man, I wish his response was “Of course I’m bad at golf. I’ve been too busy leading a country to have time practicing my hand at golfing.”
Also, 100k likes? Having not been on corporate social media sites for a couple of years that just looks grotesque.
I’m as partial to the old dopamine hit as the next guy but after a point surely it’s meaningless?
Eh this was one of the biggest joke tweets and the biggest microblog site, and I believe over half of America was watching. It makes sense.
And somehow you’ll still be vilified if you say: why not vote for a 3rd party candidate?. Clearly both Pepsi and Coke are laced with cyanide, don’t mind me if I choose RC Cola*.
* personally I prefer Jarritos, not Pepsi, Coke or RC. All of this is of course metaphorical, Biden and Trump aren’t actually laced with cyanide but may as well be.
If you choose RC Cola, you get RC Cola. If picking a soft drink was like the elections, you wouldn’t want to choose RC because you’d still get Pepsi or Coke and you’ll just be throwing away your ability to influence it to be the one with the lower concentration of cyanide.
Meanwhile nobody wants to acknowledge that the soda machine is already cooked and needs to be put out to pasture when asking for “no cyanide, please” gets you accused by the supposedly “civil, thoughtful” soda drinkers for being foreign plants hellbent on shoving the soda they don’t like down their throats, instead of regular people who think not dying of cyanide poisoning might be pretty cool.
I suppose this take would be easy if you consider both of those examples to mean the exact same thing.
I’ll vote for a tree stump over a wannabe-dictator that’s also a rapist and a convicted felon.
I would vote for a tree stump, I agree. Might even write it down if the Democrats do what they did in PA in 2020 and have no 3rd party candidate on the ballot.
I’m sure that will help a lot.
No tree stump enabled a genocide
If you think Biden is responsible for the crisis in Gaza, do you think giving the Presidency to the guy who has said, on multiple occasions (including in the debate last night) that “Israel should just finish the job” will make things better?
I guess you can’t have a humanitarian crisis after the genocide is complete…
Both options are the same. Biden did everything Trump would have done. Biden could have ended it months ago. You thought we would just forget all the ceasefire resolutions the US vetoed? Or how about stopping funding the UNRWA?
Nothing changes for Palestine Biden or Trump, just the rhetoric. Did Biden reverse Trump’s decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem? Half the Democrats cheered Trump on when he did it!
tl:dr; both are Zionists and disgust me, both will do exactly what is being done now to Palestinians, no difference.
You can declare them identical on this issue, but even considering how complex politics is, this is the system we have to work with. First Past the Post voting can only support two political parties, full stop. Voting for a third party splits the vote for one party and secures a victory for the other.
It’s fucked. But there are real, long term lasting implications to this election beyond the tragedy in Israel. Republicans are eyeing repealing things like no fault divorce, marriage equality, and voting rights.
Authoritarianism is on the rise globally, and holding Biden accountable for Gaza will put the guy who said his nuclear button is bigger in office. The guy who already tried to illegally remain in office, has not conceded his election loss, and maintains to this day that he is the duly elected President. Who stole classified documents and kept them, refused to return them when asked, and only after being caught red handed with them did he say he declassified them with his mind.
Hold Biden accountable for his actions and inactions in Gaza. But don’t kid yourself that because they’re both bad in Israel that they’re otherwise identical.
Ugh… okay bud. We’re done here. I’m not debating this as it’s been beaten to the ground.
Just like Gaza thanks to Biden.
When you show a willingness to even try to understand how congress works, we can come back to this, but until then- directly blaming Biden for what is happening in Gaza shows you have no idea how any of it works.
Congress LOVES this shit. And if you think that’s not going to happen if Biden is gone- you have no clue how American politics work.
Just because you think Alfred is too old to take care of the Batcave, you don’t replace him with the Joker.
Exactly. You also don’t put Alfred in a fight he will lose against the Joker. Time for fresh and young Alfred Jr.
When people become politically active enough to produce a younger Alfred we can vote for him or her. Until then- it’s going to take a lot more than SJWs being outraged every election year and then disappearing into obscurity in between.
And this is a fact.
They don’t disappear into obscurity, you spend 3 years telling them to shut the fuck up then ignoring them until election year arrives and you realize it’s time to start preemptively blaming them if you lose.
Is that what I do? Because I don’t recall ever telling anyone to shut the fuck up- about anything.
But since some random person that I’ve never talked to before on the internet says so…
It HAS to be true!
“I acknowledge the systemic truth of the statement therefore I’ll twist it to imply the statement is made specifically in reference to me and me alone so I can snarkily dismiss it instead of actually offering a counterargument”
Oh the fucking irony! You got balls. I’ll admit that.
I am not voting for the person who had my friends slaughtered. Believe it or not, some of us knew people in Gaza.
Since you’re putting the idea that you have lost friends into play- we’re done here. I cannot in good faith, debate with people that claim to have a personal connection to a thing that cannot be verified.
Either you have- and therefore have a tremendous bias that cannot, and should not be argued with, or you haven’t, and you’re here in bad faith to create arguments that will result in anyone disagreeing with you as heartless trolls to be banned.
I’ve seen this WAY too many times.
Have a good day.
Really sad. As though no one has trans, queer, immigrant, or POC friends or friends in need of abortion either. As though we didn’t see the other guy double down on his “finish the job” line once again. Sending love 🩵
This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think… No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump’s gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.
The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler… Or a dog.
On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler…
You wouldn’t believe how close you are.
[…Researches] recruited 684 Swiss students and asked them to rate pairs of politicians who had run against each other in the 2002 French parliamentary elections. Based solely on black-and-white photos of the candidates, they had to say who was more competent and by what degree. There were 57 pairs in all, and each volunteer rated just one.
They found that the students’ competence judgments predicted the actual winners of the run-offs with a 72% accuracy.
[A] group of children would be able to predict the outcome of elections in another country, based only on photos of the candidates […] is exactly what a recent study in the journal Science has found.
Swiss children as young as five years can predict which candidates are more likely to win French parliamentary elections.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-look-of-a-winner/
The children were just as good at predicting election results as the grown-ups were;
(first article again)
I don’t know if you missed the part where he brought up “rapist immigrants” when trying to answer a question about abortion that should have been a layup and was absolutely key to this debate being meaningful to voters who are confused, apathetic, or considering voting 3rd party, especially those in swing states.
That was also very unexpected, highly disappointing, and totally unrelated to his tone or volume. No amount of moderation could have helped that.
That’s part of the point, the gettable “swing voter”, who was hanging on this debate and nothing else to get their confidence just isn’t real… If that was the case, why didn’t the fucking SOTU seal it for them (again that’s if they even exist, as I challenge your basic premise).
People generally know where they stand, with these two especially. And if they do exist and they are truly that “confused”… They are actually just ashamed to be 98% trump leaning and just waiting for any strong fart to push them towards him with " justification’ ( if it wasn’t this, they would have sought something to fill that need between now and election).
IMO there’s also a contingent of people who are demotivated to participate. Lack of participation hurts Biden more than trump.
Despite the danger, Trump doesn’t feel like an imminent threat to most people. He’s not motivating enough alone to bring out Democratic voters. However you do have a bunch of shit demotivating those voters. Gaza, money, immigration. The only big motivator is abortion, and Biden kinda flubbed that.
A Dem win will be on abortion alone at this point, unless something huge changes.
On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler… Or a dog.
Welcome to leadership 101. Projecting confidence is 90 percent of getting people to listen to you. This is why Con Artists are effective and Military Leaders cultivate an air of Stoicism. If you’re lucky you find a confident person who informs their decisions with science.
I agree with everything but the comment on the moderators. It’s not their job to hold the candidates to account, that’s the job of the dude standing right next to the speaker. If a presidential candidate needs to rely upon a journalist to correct disinformation in a debate that he himself is participating in, they shouldn’t be the candidate.
I’m a smooth-brained imbecile, but everytime that Trump opened his mouth I had 14 better responses than Biden had. He permitted the most outlandish untruths to go on the record unchecked. Biden would have done a better job by just replying “bulls*hit” in answer to Trump’s ramblings. The moderators just ask questions. They are not supposed to prop either side up.
People were expecting state of the union Biden. Instead we got Magoo. We don’t need a strong man to lead, we just need more than what Biden currently is. The DNC is out to fucking lunch and probably handed Trump an easy win. Does this stop me from eating a shit sandwich to help protect our democracy? No, will angrily eat that shit sandwich for a few more good years.
The presidency is not one person, it’s an entire administration and general philosophy. We’re fed a lie that these debates always matter, they matter when candidates are unknown and then have a forum to stand out as leaders and educate voters about a vision for the country. That’s NOT the case here, the candidates are wholly known entities and these fucking debates absolutely do not matter.
The president is the leader of their presidency not the other way round. This debate has been very important to showcase that Biden is not capable of leading an argument let alone his staff. It’s not too late for him to bow out with dignity and get someone who has wit to lead.
Genuinely curious, what do you think the Biden admin has accomplished in the last 4 years?
You having to ask that is telling, isn’t it?
Ha… Yes it’s very telling, but [Whoooossshh] it’s actually telling about how tuned in you are beyond the basic surface talking points you absorb through social media - the Biden admin needs to do A LOT more and Gaza response is indefensible, while at the very same time, they are technically on paper the SINGLE most progressive administration of my lifetime.
I’m not going to lie, your reply there was priceless. It was the equivalent of the arrogant, condescending, puffed up tone saying, “psssh, I already told you idiots… I don’t know how to read?” it’s like, you really think you’re looking down on people, while looking up at them from the ground. Golly.
I think you’re mistaking that this election is determined by facts. It’s not. It’s a populist election driven on how people feel. I get your determination and frustration but you I think you need to reevaluate your strategy here.
That’s a vote for Trump.
If you think voting stops fascists from seizing power, you better buckle the fuck up.
If it matters so little, why does the GOP work so hard on voter suppression?
It doesn’t stop them, but it requires very little effort and definitely slows them down.
Also let’s not forget how many of us would not survive another trump presidency, not slowing them down is potentially fatal for a large percentage of the population
The “but voting won’t instantly fix all of our problems” crowd:
After voting in every election for the last 24 years I’ve given up on voting fixing any problems, let alone instantly.
