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    I didn’t know biden was this far gone. We’re so fucked. the DNC is such a shitshow, they’ll refuse to nominate anyone else, and the debates prove he doesn’t have a chance.

    If trump wins the election, democracy in the western world is dead. The DNC needs to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses and figure this shit out real fucking fast.

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      Democracy is not voting.

      Each day you go to work where you do not have any saying, where you all have autocracy effectively.

      That’s a pathetic reality show

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    Troofs. Yea I’ll hafta vote Democrat cause holy fuck look at what republican means right now(also for as long as I was voting age). And while I want to just throw my vote away and vote third party because fuck both parties… I do live in somewhat important not necessarily decided state. (Iirc pa went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020).

    I forget the term for it, but fuck that thing that makes political bribes legal in the US. Fuck gerrymandering. And most of all fuck this two party system where both parties are owned, fucking outright, by companies and oligarchs and foreign influences.

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    Trying to watch that mess felt like listening to my schizophrenic relative explain her dream: Not fucking worth getting invested. Still voting against Trump but jeeze, this sure isn’t helping the case for our electoral system. Giant douche or Turd sandwich would literally be more compelling.

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      First time independent wins election? The powers will be so furious, might be another assassination(suicide) before that happens

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            It only works if you can get about 70 million to go along with you and vote for the same independent.

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            Fuck yeah, I can just copy and paste this whenever you tell people without ranked choice voting to vote independent. People can watch you not answer anywhere then.

            Okay sure, let’s have this discussion.

            The first massive favor I’ll do is give you the benefit of the doubt and accept you’re saying this in good faith and not as a right-wing sock puppet.

            The next massive favor I’ll do is accept your (ostensible) plan is wildly successful, far beyond what you could reasonably hope for. Everybody is so moved by your comment that you convince 80% of Democrat voters to vote independent and every single one votes for the same independent party. Hell, I’ll even throw in 10% of Republican voters.

            The only thing we won’t give you is the ranked choice voting needed to stop your idea being dumb as fuck. We’ll stick to reality for that one.

            So tell us how the next 4 years play out in your head. Polls close, votes are counted. Democrats 9.8%, Toothfairy Party 44.1%, Republicans 45.9%.

            Then what?

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      I legit had so much anxiety and despair watching the first 15 minutes I had to get up, walk a literal quarter mile to clear my head, then got back, heard more, walked out on the porch and just cried.

      I’m so getting arrested for being gay in Texas. I can feel it in my bones.

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        Lots of love from NZ. I feel your fear and I empathise. Trump will be a disaster for the world

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        Dude, I know it isn’t always possible, but I would be doing everything in my power to get out of Texas before they set up state border crossings to contain their breeding-aged female hosts. It isn’t just gaiety that makes us vulnerable to the boot, certain reproductive organs make us targets as well.

        I am worried about a lot of the people in Texas, sending hugs.

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          they set up state border crossings

          That’s one of the few things that is almost certainly unconstitutional and I don’t think even this SCOTUS would let fly. Free travel between the states and federal power over interstate commerce are just too big a deal.

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    The conspiracy theorists all say Joe is supposed to step down and Gavin Newsom somehow is added to the ticket which then will win. These conspiracy theorists also say that candidates are selected in advance by the powers that be and it’s all pagentry to deceive the gullible masses. Perhaps you are supposed to feel this way as part of the pagentry?

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    It’s not Joe. It’s the fact that he’s old, and Trump is old, stupid and a criminal felon. And we have no other choice? Out of the several hundreds of millions of Americans we get these two and that’s it? How come no one else wants the job?

    I will choose Biden 1000000000 times over Trumpfus. With Biden, China is what it is, an economical frienemy. With Trump they are our best friends and so on and so forth if they just give Trump tickets to the Padres game or something. No question, Biden. But if a piece of cheese 🧀🍕 was running and it could talk, I would vote cheese all the way!

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    This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think… No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump’s gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.

    The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler… Or a dog.

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      I think the problem was partly Biden, but that was made much worse by the fact that I don’t think I’ve ever seen Trump sound more coherent.

      Yes, he still lied, and yes he’s still Trump. But it wasn’t like the 2020 debate, and it wasn’t like his recent ridiculous rantings about Hannibal Lector, etc… This was the closest thing to a functioning adult I’ve seen Trump look since he entered politics, and meanwhile about the worst I’ve personally seen Biden come off.

      I disagree with the meme in OP because Trump voters must be gleeful today. How could they not be? They believe everything he said, so they just saw their guy being the best he can be and Biden being nearly the worst he can be.

      However, I also think this is recoverable if Trump returns to form in the next debate, especially if Biden has more spring in his step. Maybe he had a cold? (seriously I wondered if he was under the weather)

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      and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump’s gish gallop and unchecked stream

      Yeah, but that’s literally the worst strategy in response to a gish gallop…

      And I’m not sure many would agree he did it quickly or competently

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        Relative to what was expected, it was quick.

        And to the debate strategy, he shouldn’t have even engaged in the first place. To step on the stage at all and legitimize that convicted felon, insurrectionist collection of STDs held together by fillet of fish tartar sauce and diapers in a comically oversized suit was his first and worst error there.

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    On the one hand, he fumbled his words a few times pretty poorly. On the other hand, he didn’t spend an hour blatantly lying.

    I was watching CNN’s coverage. I thought Biden did alright, asides from a few notable blunders that he recovered from. CNN’s coverage made it sound like he needed to have his adult diapers changed mid question.

    It’s crazy how they’re completely ignoring any substance of the debate and solely focusing on appearances. It’s almost like that’d favour a populist candidate or something.

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        It should be the media’s responsibility to thoroughly fact check both parties. If that means they have to pre-submit their primary answers and read them off a teleprompter, then so be it.

        You’re right, it wasn’t a win, but it should have been.

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      I thought Biden did alright

      He just didn’t. In any other previous cycle, it would not have been considered acceptable. The bar has gotten very low.

      Biden looked senile, and Trump looked like regular, crazy Trump. The senility will do more for voters than Trump being Trump.

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        Exactly, people expect Trump to be Trump, but they expect Biden to not be senile.

        What a sorry state of affairs.

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      CNN can’t help themselves. They need to compete with social media I guess.

      I dunno, that debate just made me sad.

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        CNN can’t help themselves.

        I wonder if that has anything to do with CNN’s chairman and CEO, Mark Thompson, ranked by Forbes as the 65th most powerful person in the world. 🤔

        Would someone like that benefit from tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?

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          Didn’t this guy say that he wanted to makeCNN more “centrist”? So I guess what he meant by that was pull it a few inches to the right…

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      The issue is appearances are all that mattered. I don’t believe anyone who was interested enough in politics to watch that debate was undecided. It’s now time for the campaigns to cut up the debate to use for ads that will actually reach the undecided voters. I feel it’s going to hurt Biden a lot more than Trump.

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        Yeah, I don’t disagree. Those who make their decisions by disregarding policy are probably not going to be doing the right things for the right reasons anyways.

        If they tip the balance and that means a dictatorship, there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it short of global intervention.

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          I’m hoping the reason this debate was agreed to so early is that the DNC needs to know if they’ve got to work out a plan B. The convention is scheduled for the end of August so until then Biden isn’t the official candidate. Like, if in 2 months they’re polling at 30%, I don’t see how they can go “oh yeah, this is definitely a losing strategy. Let’s stick with it”. Why not switch it up? You’re losing already. The worst that can happen is you still lose.

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            This is exactly what I’m thinking. So next then, who do they run instead?

            BTW remember when like three years ago Biden said multiple times he would only serve one term? smdh

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              The obvious answer is Harris. The less obvious but I think better option is Buttigieg. He’s not who I would pick ideally, but I think people still remember him and he’s part of the Biden adm.

              I’m pretty confident they’re running Biden unless he dies though.

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                Bootygig would piss a lot of the base off to pass over a POC woman who would literally be president anyways the moment Joe croaks.

                He’s probably a better pick for the country, but the DNC doesn’t give a shit about that. I don’t think he’s a particularly strong pick, but he’s better than Harris.

                I think the best option to win the election would be to pick someone that’s not a part of the current administration. And we can definitely count on that not happening. The DNC is too up their own ass with everyone getting their compensation for previous “support” once the positions open up.

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      you are trying to gaslight me. i want the democrats to win so we don’t have trump, and they’re voluntarily trotting out this fucking corpse.

      sure, it shouldn’t be about appearances, but it is, because that’s how most people interpret the debates (especially because it’s part of the job for politicians to lie and that isn’t exactly a meaningful shock at this point). that’s the worst i’ve ever seen anybody do in a debate in my life.

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        I fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine. If there was any reasonable chance that they could switch candidates now and still have a shot, I’d totally agree with you.

        I think he’s way too old to be president, but I’m sorry to say you’re stuck with a shit decision, and one that’s been engineered to help work against our best interests.

        I fully get where you’re coming from, but I’m not trying to gaslight you.

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          Regarding Palestine, not a single president would or could have done any different. You made your bed there, now you have to give it money. It’s the same with us here in the UK.

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            The President has plenty of power here. They can halt shipments like he did one time, which proved he could try that. He could not veto ceasefire deals in the UN. He could assign a better secretary of state that doesn’t run interference for Israel. He could not jump the gun making pro Israel statements or supporting suppressing the protests, than staying otherwise silent when they do things wrong like even kill American aide workers or Palestinian journalists. He could veto laws that get to him. He could rile up the populace to contact their local Congressmen and publish Israel’s wrongdoings in press conferences, while he’s only been doing that for pro-Palestinian “wrong-doing”, often getting the facts wrong in the process. He could threaten Israel harder to let aid through the ground. Even if some of these fail, it shows who he supports at least.

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            The president could choose to not sign the bill sent by Congress for further funding. Congress might pass it with veto proof majority but it would still be making a statement. So, not exactly true

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          It’s come to the point where the risk of changing the candidate has to be weighed against the risk of not changing the candidate.

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            And it has been. The risk of sticking with Biden is the greater one by far. He’s losing the election and showing no willingness to change any of the behaviors that are causing it.

            Switching to another candidate might be a controversial choice, but it’s still a safer bet than Biden.

        • fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine

          I’m not an American and even I know it is not his policy. It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries and has far too many stakeholders than just the head of the state.

          Not even Bernie could’ve managed to navigate this shit situation properly.

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            is not his policy.It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries

            Yeah it is. Obama said about the Cuban Embargo that “these 50 years have shown that isolation has not worked”, so he changed longstanding policy.

            Meanwhile, letting Israel do whatever the fuck they want to Palestinians for 75 years hasn’t made the treatment more just (duh) or the region more stable and peaceful, and the majority of the population realizes that now.

            People are demanding of Biden and the rest of the Dem leadership, which are the people with the power to do so, to change the awful status quo of total deference to a fascist apartheid regime and Biden et al are risking the election and thus American democracy by refusing to listen to the people who they are supposed to represent.

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              An embargo on a small island nation has nothing in common with a key strategic ally in the middle east. Why are we comparing these two? Are you for real now

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                It has one thing in common and that’s the thing I was referring to:

                In both cases, the president has the power to change bad policy, no matter how longstanding.

                Obama chose to make the right choice under little to no pressure (except from people adamant that he should do the opposite) while Biden is insisting on the wrong choice in spite of intense pressure and a very significant risk that it’ll cost him the election.

                The specifics of Cuba has nothing to do with it.

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                  You’re not addressing the central point of my claim and simply restating your initial statement: that the president can change policy

                  has the power to change bad policy

                  while ignoring the key difference between Cuba and Israel. They are completely dissimilar situations with vastly different implications. The progressive left --which cares so much about genocide suddenly (forget Yemen, Syria, where more people have died int he last 6 years by an order of 10 than the entire palestine-israel conflict in the last 100 years)-- made up their mind about Biden long before Oct 7. The only way for Joe to pander to their vote is by accomplishing miracles at this point and I think that ship has sailed a long time ago so I really doubt they are the key demographic that will cost him his election.

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            Bernie would’ve led Bibi by the fucking nose. He’d have recalled his days in the kibbutz and said that Bibi is burning everything good about Israel.

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            I don’t know… I see what you’re saying, but does the president not have the power to take a principled stance on the matter? Maybe I’m being too naïve about what’s realistically possible, but ultimately intended policy decisions have to start at the mouth of the nation’s leader.

            He needs to firmly acknowledge and denounce the ongoing genocide in Palestine.

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    The democrats really want to lose this election.

    Biden’s cognitive problems were laid bare to the whole world to see. imagine a president of the strongest country in the world.

    brace yourselves for another 4 years of Trump.

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      Yep. I don’t know if it’s malice or incompetence, but the Democrats are about to lose. Now, Biden may be cognitively fine to be president, but it’s clear he’s not fit to win an election. Sadly being good at the first doesn’t mean you’ll be good at the second. And if you don’t win, you can’t govern.

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      Biden’s cognitive problems were laid bare to the whole world to see. imagine a president of the strongest country in the world.

      So you didn’t hear the diarreah of the mouth that Trump spewed? It seemed to me Trump was not even aware of what they were asking of him in half the questions

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    6 4 months left to jump ship to a third party candidate. Still plenty of time to get a movement going.

    Biden just threw the last remainder of his election chances away. Not sure why everyone’s still pretending he has a chance.

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      So who should we get behind? Cornel West, Jill Stein, or RFK Jr?

      I’m feeling Cornel, but I could get behind Jill Stein too.

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        Certainly not RFK he’s just another israeli puppet.

        I like Cornel West more but it’s looking like the momentum for third party is behind Jill Stein. She’s certainly not a bad compromise.

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          Yeah, I was just looking and Jill Stein is actually pretty good on Gaza. She has called it a genocide, and that carries some weight from her because she had relatives who fled from pogroms in Europe.

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      I’m sorry, but that’s just not realistic. It would take years, if not decades, to get enough Democrats to defect in order to make a third-party candidate viable. As long as first-past-the-post voting is still our system, it would be easier to take over the Democratic party than create a new, viable party. Unfortunately, if you live in a swing state, the best thing you can do is vote for Biden.

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      6 decades of third parties have failed to gain momentum but sure, 6 months (or 4) is plenty.

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        I recall a certain figure in 2016 going from 1% chance to winning the election in a matter of months.

        Once the first big Democrat endorsers jump ship to a third party it’s all Joever. Nobody is voting Dem because they want to anymore. And now even the excuse of “Biden is our only shot” is falling apart. There’s zero chance this Biden can Trump after his debate performance.

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    They should have just given him those drugs. You can’t appease Nazis so it’s idiotic to try.

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    As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats, after all it is the party that in 2016 cheated in the primaries so that Hillary would win and still lost to an idiot. If you create a real left-wing party you can seriously propose things like socialized healthcare just as the right is not shy about proposing crazy things like banning abortion.

    The only difference is that they have been successful in colonizing the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is simply an outdated instrument that no longer represents its own bases.

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      As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats

      A third party has no chance in a first past the post system. If you create an alternative party to the Democrats, you’re just making sure the Republicans win every election.

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        The British have a first past the post system and more than two parties, something else is wrong in that equation

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            But you have a parliament (congress and senate), right? Why isn’t there a third party in these chambers?

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              Americans are taught from elementary school that voting third party is basically a sin, its repeated on all forms of media and treated as fact for every single election regardless of the situation. When people say things like ‘America is the most propagandized country in the world’ this is part of what they’re referring to.

              Americans somehow believe they’re just too different from all those countries that made things like public transport, healthcare, and more than two political parties work. They believe those things simply wont work here even if they work elsewhere.

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                I don’t know, I don’t deny what you say, but as I was answering to another, then the United States is not a democracy anymore, it is a plutocracy where a few elites can decide policies, but the population lacks the capacity to change the trends even if there is a broad consensus for it.

                this is sad

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              That’s just it, the system was created as a two-party system, and two-party is a hugely beneficial to the champions of that same system who make the laws, the same people who would have to make the law to change the system to make it harder for themselves to “win” but better for us.

              You would have to have people in charge who were willing to give up their power to make things better for the people as a whole, and sadly there’s basically nobody left who gives a shit about the population as a whole. They’re all selfish as shit. About half are currently more evil, but they’re all out of touch and working for nobody but themselves and their wealthy benefactors.

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                It was not created as a 2-party system, there have been several other successful political parties in US history. We’ve had US presidents elected from 3 other parties plus an Independent. Federalists, Whigs, and “Democratic-Republicans” are the 3 other parties who had Presidents in the WH.

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              No, the executive is compartmentalized and voted for separately, so there’s no dissolution of parliament, negotiations over forming a government, etc. Seems like a small difference, but structurally it’s a large and impactful distinction.

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                I know and understand the difference between parliamentarism and presidentialism, but I am not talking about the election of presidents exclusively, I am talking about the political system of the country in general. If 20~30% of the chambers are in the hands of a third party, the country becomes more plural and public debates better represent opinions and I don’t understand why that is not possible.

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                  I understand, but how is it viable, from the standpoint of the opposition, to be anything other than a unified party in opposition if there’s no chance to bargain for a position in a coalition government, to form a coalition to win an election to make a new government, etc? That doesn’t make any sense, why would anyone split like that?

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      Americans have tried to create third parties before, but due to the electoral college and the first past the post voting system, new parties are destined to fail and not win any votes. So the current two party system is the natural state of America.

      The only way to change this is to get rid of the electoral college and the FPTP system, like that’s ever going to happen.

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        I dont think FPTP is an issue, here in my country, despite FPTP we have seen many national parties rise, collapse since independence, regional parties’ influence in national politics also increased exponentially in recent elections. I know FPTP is kind of rotten but dont think thats stopping smaller parties to rise.

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        First Past the Post doesn’t guarantee complete nationwide hegemony of two parties. There can be areas where the vote is between a mainstream party and a regional party, because the other mainstream party doesn’t show up. This happens in the UK all the time.

        They don’t take a lot, but those seats are enough that the big parties often have to work with them to cobble together a majority.

        Nor is First Past the Post the only factor. There’s plenty of southern states that have runoff voting. Their last century of state level offices are just as filled with Democrats and Republicans as anywhere else.

        The US is unique in that not only are their only two real parties, but those two parties dominate at every level of government.

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          Canada also has a FPTP system and we have like 5 federal parties. But it’s also a Westminster parliamentary system that allows temporary alliances, minority governments, support and supply agreements and other power-sharing arrangements.

          The American system is unique in their imperial presidency and aristocratic Senate and supreme Court, where so much power is concentrated in so few people for such a long time that every election becomes a high stakes cosmic event.

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            Canada also has a FPTP system and we have like 5 federal parties.

            Canadians were promised electoral reform recently, what happened?

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        You can get a successful new party but only if one of the two big ones completely self-destructs and creates a power vacuum. And even then the new party will probably be a faction of the defunct one. There definitely won’t be a three-party constellation for more than a brief period.

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        Well, the issue of the electoral college is something that I don’t fully understand, in the end from Europe I follow American politics relatively, but the English also have the first past the post system and they have more than one party.

        Perhaps it would be necessary to start setting it up from more local elections or to the Congress/Senate, where a small but more mobilized mass could be relevant. With a relevant percentage representation in the chambers and/or state positions it could stop being crazy.

        I don’t know, it’s an outside opinion, maybe it’s impossible, but if it is then American democracy is not only dysfunctional, it wouldn’t be a democracy at all, It would be a plutocracy with all the letters

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          The electoral college is mainly for the president. Each state is “worth” x number of electoral votes (actual people who do the real voting, they just are supposed to follow the publics vote.) so running for president becomes a game of “how many points can I gather using various states to win” instead of “how can I appeal to as many people as possible to win.” It’s a clusterfuck and it leaves candidates ignoring states they think aren’t worth spending money and time in.

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            Well, if that only applies at the presidential level, a party can be created that competes at the legislative and state level. When it is established with enough power at that level, running at the presidential level might not be such a risky game.

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      As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats

      The average American is too stupid to handle more than 2 options. American’s like everything easy and straightforward. Black and white. Good and evil. They have a very simplistic world view.

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        I don’t know, I have never lived in the United States, but I would like to think that there are still enough intelligent people for a third party to position itself as a real alternative and end up completely replacing the Democratic Party, which will leave two parties again, now that I think it

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    Been saying this. Biden is not up to the mark at all. Not an American but you can’t count on an old man. I don’t want trump bad comments I know. That’s why it’s important to have a better Candidate. Who selects their Candidates? Im not that deeply educated on American electoral process. Also alienating your opposition is not a good strategy, but a lot of people on lemmy insist on it for some reason. Don’t want a world war, so please do something and get a better leader.

    Edit: Apparently i have to also explain that im not suggesting they change their candidate now. That’s brain dead. I do not like trump supporters, i don’t like biden supporters on lemmy. Always so defensive but I understand, that how desperate you are and the situation is.

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      It’s not a big deal, there’s a vice president.

      Not a reason to not vote against the guy who wants to turn the US into Russia 2.0

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        The US is getting an old man no matter what.

        I dunno about that anymore.

        Biden could hang on until August, leaving Trump to run all the old, senile attacks he wants. Biden backs out just prior to the Democratic National Convention for health reasons, and suddenly this pro-forma event turns into a media circus. The convention churns out a Millennial candidate who just spends 80 days saying “Ok, boomer” as many times as possible.

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      The candidates are selected in a primary election, but since Biden is incumbent he got all the support from the Democratic establishment. As a result the only people running against him was a clown car of freaks and weirdos who never had a shot to begin with.

      The opportunity to kick Biden out already passed 4 years ago. Thankfully he can’t get a third term, and I expect he’ll be something of a pariah if he loses to Trump so we won’t see him running again in 4 years one way or another. But that’s in 4 years anyway. These next few months are gonna be rocky.

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        Biden doesn’t have to accept the nomination. He can hang on as the presumptive nominee, forcing Trump to attack him on age and infirmity, alienating the AARP and everyone with an elderly parent or grandparent.

        Then, Biden drops out of the race just before the Democratic National Convention, which turns into a media frenzy, and we end up with a millennial candidate who can run on an “Ok, Boomer” platform.