I didn’t know biden was this far gone. We’re so fucked. the DNC is such a shitshow, they’ll refuse to nominate anyone else, and the debates prove he doesn’t have a chance.
If trump wins the election, democracy in the western world is dead. The DNC needs to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses and figure this shit out real fucking fast.
On the one hand, he fumbled his words a few times pretty poorly. On the other hand, he didn’t spend an hour blatantly lying.
I was watching CNN’s coverage. I thought Biden did alright, asides from a few notable blunders that he recovered from. CNN’s coverage made it sound like he needed to have his adult diapers changed mid question.
It’s crazy how they’re completely ignoring any substance of the debate and solely focusing on appearances. It’s almost like that’d favour a populist candidate or something.
Yeah Trump spent an hour blatantly lying.
But people believe him.
That’s not a win.
It should be the media’s responsibility to thoroughly fact check both parties. If that means they have to pre-submit their primary answers and read them off a teleprompter, then so be it.
You’re right, it wasn’t a win, but it should have been.
I thought Biden did alright
He just didn’t. In any other previous cycle, it would not have been considered acceptable. The bar has gotten very low.
Biden looked senile, and Trump looked like regular, crazy Trump. The senility will do more for voters than Trump being Trump.
Exactly, people expect Trump to be Trump, but they expect Biden to not be senile.
What a sorry state of affairs.
CNN can’t help themselves. They need to compete with social media I guess.
I dunno, that debate just made me sad.
Me too. The last of my hope for this country is gone.
CNN can’t help themselves.
I wonder if that has anything to do with CNN’s chairman and CEO, Mark Thompson, ranked by Forbes as the 65th most powerful person in the world. 🤔
Would someone like that benefit from tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?
Didn’t this guy say that he wanted to makeCNN more “centrist”? So I guess what he meant by that was pull it a few inches to the right…
you are trying to gaslight me. i want the democrats to win so we don’t have trump, and they’re voluntarily trotting out this fucking corpse.
sure, it shouldn’t be about appearances, but it is, because that’s how most people interpret the debates (especially because it’s part of the job for politicians to lie and that isn’t exactly a meaningful shock at this point). that’s the worst i’ve ever seen anybody do in a debate in my life.
Oh they’re 100% gaslighting you. But they’re also gaslighting themselves, so I guess that makes it fair?
I fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine. If there was any reasonable chance that they could switch candidates now and still have a shot, I’d totally agree with you.
I think he’s way too old to be president, but I’m sorry to say you’re stuck with a shit decision, and one that’s been engineered to help work against our best interests.
I fully get where you’re coming from, but I’m not trying to gaslight you.
fucking despise Biden for his policy in Palestine
I’m not an American and even I know it is not his policy. It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries and has far too many stakeholders than just the head of the state.
Not even Bernie could’ve managed to navigate this shit situation properly.
is not his policy.It is a result of decades of US-Israel relationships with all kinds of ties between the two countries
Yeah it is. Obama said about the Cuban Embargo that “these 50 years have shown that isolation has not worked”, so he changed longstanding policy.
Meanwhile, letting Israel do whatever the fuck they want to Palestinians for 75 years hasn’t made the treatment more just (duh) or the region more stable and peaceful, and the majority of the population realizes that now.
People are demanding of Biden and the rest of the Dem leadership, which are the people with the power to do so, to change the awful status quo of total deference to a fascist apartheid regime and Biden et al are risking the election and thus American democracy by refusing to listen to the people who they are supposed to represent.
An embargo on a small island nation has nothing in common with a key strategic ally in the middle east. Why are we comparing these two? Are you for real now
It has one thing in common and that’s the thing I was referring to:
In both cases, the president has the power to change bad policy, no matter how longstanding.
Obama chose to make the right choice under little to no pressure (except from people adamant that he should do the opposite) while Biden is insisting on the wrong choice in spite of intense pressure and a very significant risk that it’ll cost him the election.
The specifics of Cuba has nothing to do with it.
You’re not addressing the central point of my claim and simply restating your initial statement: that the president can change policy
has the power to change bad policy
while ignoring the key difference between Cuba and Israel. They are completely dissimilar situations with vastly different implications. The progressive left --which cares so much about genocide suddenly (forget Yemen, Syria, where more people have died int he last 6 years by an order of 10 than the entire palestine-israel conflict in the last 100 years)-- made up their mind about Biden long before Oct 7. The only way for Joe to pander to their vote is by accomplishing miracles at this point and I think that ship has sailed a long time ago so I really doubt they are the key demographic that will cost him his election.
Bernie would’ve led Bibi by the fucking nose. He’d have recalled his days in the kibbutz and said that Bibi is burning everything good about Israel.
sorry but bernie is a zionist too
He is, but he’s not the type that would kowtow to and enable fascists or fund genocide.
But thats what being a zionist is, you cant be a zionist without supporting the IDF which has been engaged in the constant subjugation and extermination whenever politically possible for decades now.
The president isn’t a king. Bernie would’ve had lot of resistance from within the government, military, and intelligence agencies.
Deep state isn’t just a conservative meme/boogeyman. It definitely exists.
The president isn’t a king
Enough with that ridiculous excuse every time Biden refuses to do things that ARE within his power!
He bypassed Congress by sending many smaller weapons shipments to Israel so that he didn’t need congressional approval and when he halted shipment of 2000lb bombs only, he could have halted shipment of ALL weapons but chose not to.
Furthermore, knowing what they do with them, supplying the fascist apartheid regime of Israel is against both international and US law.
He’s enough of a “king” to keep committing crimes against humanity, but apparently NOT actively breaking the law is outside the bounds of his power 🙄
I don’t know… I see what you’re saying, but does the president not have the power to take a principled stance on the matter? Maybe I’m being too naïve about what’s realistically possible, but ultimately intended policy decisions have to start at the mouth of the nation’s leader.
He needs to firmly acknowledge and denounce the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Sure, but didn’t Biden go on a rant of how pro-Israel he is specifically?
Can someone remind me of the last time a U.S. president took a principled stand on some foreign policy issue? Seriously, I’m not just asking this to be a dick. I’m pretty sure things are set up to ensure this does not ever happen.
Biden pulling out of Afghanistan.
Obama pulled out of Iraq.
Biden pulled out of Afghanistan.
It’s come to the point where the risk of changing the candidate has to be weighed against the risk of not changing the candidate.
And it has been. The risk of sticking with Biden is the greater one by far. He’s losing the election and showing no willingness to change any of the behaviors that are causing it.
Switching to another candidate might be a controversial choice, but it’s still a safer bet than Biden.
Regarding Palestine, not a single president would or could have done any different. You made your bed there, now you have to give it money. It’s the same with us here in the UK.
The president could choose to not sign the bill sent by Congress for further funding. Congress might pass it with veto proof majority but it would still be making a statement. So, not exactly true
The President has plenty of power here. They can halt shipments like he did one time, which proved he could try that. He could not veto ceasefire deals in the UN. He could assign a better secretary of state that doesn’t run interference for Israel. He could not jump the gun making pro Israel statements or supporting suppressing the protests, than staying otherwise silent when they do things wrong like even kill American aide workers or Palestinian journalists. He could veto laws that get to him. He could rile up the populace to contact their local Congressmen and publish Israel’s wrongdoings in press conferences, while he’s only been doing that for pro-Palestinian “wrong-doing”, often getting the facts wrong in the process. He could threaten Israel harder to let aid through the ground. Even if some of these fail, it shows who he supports at least.
The issue is appearances are all that mattered. I don’t believe anyone who was interested enough in politics to watch that debate was undecided. It’s now time for the campaigns to cut up the debate to use for ads that will actually reach the undecided voters. I feel it’s going to hurt Biden a lot more than Trump.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. Those who make their decisions by disregarding policy are probably not going to be doing the right things for the right reasons anyways.
If they tip the balance and that means a dictatorship, there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it short of global intervention.
I’m hoping the reason this debate was agreed to so early is that the DNC needs to know if they’ve got to work out a plan B. The convention is scheduled for the end of August so until then Biden isn’t the official candidate. Like, if in 2 months they’re polling at 30%, I don’t see how they can go “oh yeah, this is definitely a losing strategy. Let’s stick with it”. Why not switch it up? You’re losing already. The worst that can happen is you still lose.
This is exactly what I’m thinking. So next then, who do they run instead?
BTW remember when like three years ago Biden said multiple times he would only serve one term? smdh
The obvious answer is Harris. The less obvious but I think better option is Buttigieg. He’s not who I would pick ideally, but I think people still remember him and he’s part of the Biden adm.
I’m pretty confident they’re running Biden unless he dies though.
Bootygig would piss a lot of the base off to pass over a POC woman who would literally be president anyways the moment Joe croaks.
He’s probably a better pick for the country, but the DNC doesn’t give a shit about that. I don’t think he’s a particularly strong pick, but he’s better than Harris.
I think the best option to win the election would be to pick someone that’s not a part of the current administration. And we can definitely count on that not happening. The DNC is too up their own ass with everyone getting their compensation for previous “support” once the positions open up.
That is not how democracy should be. Americans do deserve better.
Democracy is not voting.
Each day you go to work where you do not have any saying, where you all have autocracy effectively.
That’s a pathetic reality show
As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats, after all it is the party that in 2016 cheated in the primaries so that Hillary would win and still lost to an idiot. If you create a real left-wing party you can seriously propose things like socialized healthcare just as the right is not shy about proposing crazy things like banning abortion.
The only difference is that they have been successful in colonizing the Republican Party and the Democratic Party is simply an outdated instrument that no longer represents its own bases.
Americans have tried to create third parties before, but due to the electoral college and the first past the post voting system, new parties are destined to fail and not win any votes. So the current two party system is the natural state of America.
The only way to change this is to get rid of the electoral college and the FPTP system, like that’s ever going to happen.
First Past the Post doesn’t guarantee complete nationwide hegemony of two parties. There can be areas where the vote is between a mainstream party and a regional party, because the other mainstream party doesn’t show up. This happens in the UK all the time.
They don’t take a lot, but those seats are enough that the big parties often have to work with them to cobble together a majority.
Nor is First Past the Post the only factor. There’s plenty of southern states that have runoff voting. Their last century of state level offices are just as filled with Democrats and Republicans as anywhere else.
The US is unique in that not only are their only two real parties, but those two parties dominate at every level of government.
Canada also has a FPTP system and we have like 5 federal parties. But it’s also a Westminster parliamentary system that allows temporary alliances, minority governments, support and supply agreements and other power-sharing arrangements.
The American system is unique in their imperial presidency and aristocratic Senate and supreme Court, where so much power is concentrated in so few people for such a long time that every election becomes a high stakes cosmic event.
Canada also has a FPTP system and we have like 5 federal parties.
Canadians were promised electoral reform recently, what happened?
Politicians didn’t keep their promises after being elected.
I dont think FPTP is an issue, here in my country, despite FPTP we have seen many national parties rise, collapse since independence, regional parties’ influence in national politics also increased exponentially in recent elections. I know FPTP is kind of rotten but dont think thats stopping smaller parties to rise.
You can get a successful new party but only if one of the two big ones completely self-destructs and creates a power vacuum. And even then the new party will probably be a faction of the defunct one. There definitely won’t be a three-party constellation for more than a brief period.
Well, the issue of the electoral college is something that I don’t fully understand, in the end from Europe I follow American politics relatively, but the English also have the first past the post system and they have more than one party.
Perhaps it would be necessary to start setting it up from more local elections or to the Congress/Senate, where a small but more mobilized mass could be relevant. With a relevant percentage representation in the chambers and/or state positions it could stop being crazy.
I don’t know, it’s an outside opinion, maybe it’s impossible, but if it is then American democracy is not only dysfunctional, it wouldn’t be a democracy at all, It would be a plutocracy with all the letters
The electoral college is mainly for the president. Each state is “worth” x number of electoral votes (actual people who do the real voting, they just are supposed to follow the publics vote.) so running for president becomes a game of “how many points can I gather using various states to win” instead of “how can I appeal to as many people as possible to win.” It’s a clusterfuck and it leaves candidates ignoring states they think aren’t worth spending money and time in.
Well, if that only applies at the presidential level, a party can be created that competes at the legislative and state level. When it is established with enough power at that level, running at the presidential level might not be such a risky game.
As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats
A third party has no chance in a first past the post system. If you create an alternative party to the Democrats, you’re just making sure the Republicans win every election.
The British have a first past the post system and more than two parties, something else is wrong in that equation
USA doesn’t have a parliamentary system.
But you have a parliament (congress and senate), right? Why isn’t there a third party in these chambers?
Americans are taught from elementary school that voting third party is basically a sin, its repeated on all forms of media and treated as fact for every single election regardless of the situation. When people say things like ‘America is the most propagandized country in the world’ this is part of what they’re referring to.
Americans somehow believe they’re just too different from all those countries that made things like public transport, healthcare, and more than two political parties work. They believe those things simply wont work here even if they work elsewhere.
I don’t know, I don’t deny what you say, but as I was answering to another, then the United States is not a democracy anymore, it is a plutocracy where a few elites can decide policies, but the population lacks the capacity to change the trends even if there is a broad consensus for it.
this is sad
You are correct sir.
There are a few independents, most notably Bernie Sanders.
That’s just it, the system was created as a two-party system, and two-party is a hugely beneficial to the champions of that same system who make the laws, the same people who would have to make the law to change the system to make it harder for themselves to “win” but better for us.
You would have to have people in charge who were willing to give up their power to make things better for the people as a whole, and sadly there’s basically nobody left who gives a shit about the population as a whole. They’re all selfish as shit. About half are currently more evil, but they’re all out of touch and working for nobody but themselves and their wealthy benefactors.
It was not created as a 2-party system, there have been several other successful political parties in US history. We’ve had US presidents elected from 3 other parties plus an Independent. Federalists, Whigs, and “Democratic-Republicans” are the 3 other parties who had Presidents in the WH.
No, the executive is compartmentalized and voted for separately, so there’s no dissolution of parliament, negotiations over forming a government, etc. Seems like a small difference, but structurally it’s a large and impactful distinction.
I know and understand the difference between parliamentarism and presidentialism, but I am not talking about the election of presidents exclusively, I am talking about the political system of the country in general. If 20~30% of the chambers are in the hands of a third party, the country becomes more plural and public debates better represent opinions and I don’t understand why that is not possible.
I understand, but how is it viable, from the standpoint of the opposition, to be anything other than a unified party in opposition if there’s no chance to bargain for a position in a coalition government, to form a coalition to win an election to make a new government, etc? That doesn’t make any sense, why would anyone split like that?
As a European I always wonder why Americans don’t create an alternative party to the Democrats
The average American is too stupid to handle more than 2 options. American’s like everything easy and straightforward. Black and white. Good and evil. They have a very simplistic world view.
I don’t know, I have never lived in the United States, but I would like to think that there are still enough intelligent people for a third party to position itself as a real alternative and end up completely replacing the Democratic Party, which will leave two parties again, now that I think it
Troofs. Yea I’ll hafta vote Democrat cause holy fuck look at what republican means right now(also for as long as I was voting age). And while I want to just throw my vote away and vote third party because fuck both parties… I do live in somewhat important not necessarily decided state. (Iirc pa went Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020).
I forget the term for it, but fuck that thing that makes political bribes legal in the US. Fuck gerrymandering. And most of all fuck this two party system where both parties are owned, fucking outright, by companies and oligarchs and foreign influences.
The term you’re looking for is “lobbying”.
The goose is cooked. Bidens’ not going to be the nominee.
Good thing the DNC both a) prevented any kind of a meaningful primary and b) insisted that they get to select the delegates for the convention.
Anyways. Can Blue Maga all bow their heads now and admit they were wrong; that they’ve been wrong the whole time; and that their insistence on running this geriatric is them giving Trump the greatest opportunity to win?
The DNC gets to pick any replacement. To them, that’s far better than rolling the dice on a progressive winning a primary.
Exactly. And that’s fine. If any blue will do, lets do any (other) blue other than the one that CLEARLY can’t win.
Smart voters, strategic voters right now understand the importance of “Literally any generic Democrat other than Biden” being the nominee right now.
Biden has been drowning in the polls for 450 days. He __ dunzo __ after this.
I’ve been chuckling about danger since 2016 when the democratic party pushed through hillary and then lost against a clown. The democratic party does not instill confidence (except in their ability to sabotage themselves).
They would rather hand the country to the insane Nazi clown than do anything that night upset their sponsors.
There are troves of leftist literature that detail how liberals would sooner side with fascism peacefully than risk any kind of violence. They’re being vindicated by current events globally. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. They will do anything to maintain the order that keeps them as about half of the ruling body of the country.
Bro just vote your way out of it.
There’s not any voting out of having two candidates you don’t like.
There’s an idea of fusion voting.
I’m down to try it and would support it, but that will not be something we can make happen. At least not in our lifetimes.
Choose a different system
I don’t get to choose one.
Vote for a different one.
Is that on the ballot somewhere? Lol. You’re completely delusional.
Bro you live in a democracy. You have the power to change things with your vote.
You must be young. That’s not how anything works in the states.
Stroke Victim vs. Shitting Baby
As one voter interviewed said, “Mummy vs. Dummy.”
Trying to watch that mess felt like listening to my schizophrenic relative explain her dream: Not fucking worth getting invested. Still voting against Trump but jeeze, this sure isn’t helping the case for our electoral system. Giant douche or Turd sandwich would literally be more compelling.
First time independent wins election? The powers will be so furious, might be another assassination(suicide) before that happens
Independent voting just means Trump gets elected.
Only if you don’t tell your Democratic peers to vote independent
Fuck yeah, I can just copy and paste this whenever you tell people without ranked choice voting to vote independent. People can watch you not answer anywhere then.
Okay sure, let’s have this discussion.
The first massive favor I’ll do is give you the benefit of the doubt and accept you’re saying this in good faith and not as a right-wing sock puppet.
The next massive favor I’ll do is accept your (ostensible) plan is wildly successful, far beyond what you could reasonably hope for. Everybody is so moved by your comment that you convince 80% of Democrat voters to vote independent and every single one votes for the same independent party. Hell, I’ll even throw in 10% of Republican voters.
The only thing we won’t give you is the ranked choice voting needed to stop your idea being dumb as fuck. We’ll stick to reality for that one.
So tell us how the next 4 years play out in your head. Polls close, votes are counted. Democrats 9.8%, Toothfairy Party 44.1%, Republicans 45.9%.
Then what?
It only works if you can get about 70 million to go along with you and vote for the same independent.
I legit had so much anxiety and despair watching the first 15 minutes I had to get up, walk a literal quarter mile to clear my head, then got back, heard more, walked out on the porch and just cried.
I’m so getting arrested for being gay in Texas. I can feel it in my bones.
Dude, I know it isn’t always possible, but I would be doing everything in my power to get out of Texas before they set up state border crossings to contain their breeding-aged female hosts. It isn’t just gaiety that makes us vulnerable to the boot, certain reproductive organs make us targets as well.
I am worried about a lot of the people in Texas, sending hugs.
they set up state border crossings
That’s one of the few things that is almost certainly unconstitutional and I don’t think even this SCOTUS would let fly. Free travel between the states and federal power over interstate commerce are just too big a deal.
Lots of love from NZ. I feel your fear and I empathise. Trump will be a disaster for the world
Consider arming yourself. Armed queers bash back.
Armed queers bash back.
Now sell this as a bumper sticker or shirt.
If you like it, there’s a number of etsy sellers that have this. Also see “defend equality” stickers from offcolordecals.
64 months left to jump ship to a third party candidate. Still plenty of time to get a movement going.Biden just threw the last remainder of his election chances away. Not sure why everyone’s still pretending he has a chance.
Unfortunately there are only 4 months left until the election.
How can you both be wrong? There are 5 months left.
- July
- Aug
- Sept
- Oct
The election is November 5th and June is over. It’s 4 months and a handful of days.
6 decades of third parties have failed to gain momentum but sure, 6 months (or 4) is plenty.
I recall a certain figure in 2016 going from 1% chance to winning the election in a matter of months.
Once the first big Democrat endorsers jump ship to a third party it’s all Joever. Nobody is voting Dem because they want to anymore. And now even the excuse of “Biden is our only shot” is falling apart. There’s zero chance this Biden can Trump after his debate performance.
I’m sorry, but that’s just not realistic. It would take years, if not decades, to get enough Democrats to defect in order to make a third-party candidate viable. As long as first-past-the-post voting is still our system, it would be easier to take over the Democratic party than create a new, viable party. Unfortunately, if you live in a swing state, the best thing you can do is vote for Biden.
So who should we get behind? Cornel West, Jill Stein, or RFK Jr?
I’m feeling Cornel, but I could get behind Jill Stein too.
Certainly not RFK he’s just another israeli puppet.
I like Cornel West more but it’s looking like the momentum for third party is behind Jill Stein. She’s certainly not a bad compromise.
Yeah, I was just looking and Jill Stein is actually pretty good on Gaza. She has called it a genocide, and that carries some weight from her because she had relatives who fled from pogroms in Europe.
They should have just given him those drugs. You can’t appease Nazis so it’s idiotic to try.
As a European… we’re not really fond of this situation either. Both candidates would get laughed off stage here. I don’t mind a seasoned, older politician, but these two should stick to golf and not running a country. Get yourself some better candidates or better, vote for a third party.
The Electoral College and most states arbitrarily deciding to award EC votes as a “winner takes all” proposition is fucking us.
Both candidates would get laughed off stage here
There’s a reason there was no audience.
I honestly don’t mind there not being an audience. At least this way you can focus on the question and answers, without people booing, clapping, shouting, etc. An audience is great for a political rally, but for debates like this… I’d rather focus on the actual content.
Third party isn’t a real option unfortunately. It’s the 2 biggest parties, nobody else has a chance in hell. In EU things are different.
You would think that US voters would’ve had enough of this system by now. The only reason third - or fourth, fifth, etc. - parties don’t really work is because people keep voting for the same two… and expecting different results. The classic definition of insanity.
Now, it’s not going to be easy to sway enough people, but doing nothing surely isn’t going to fix things either. It clearly hasn’t to date.
We have had enough of the system. But it’s a big country. You can’t just walk down the street to the White House to end up getting curb stomped by militarized police. While your family at home starves because you stopped working for a day.
Also with voting, one party is sending a fascist religious cult. If one person tries to do a third party vote, that takes away a vote from the other main party that has the highest odds of winning. It would have to be everyone is doing it all at the same time. But it would be much more likely that the fascist wins while everyone realigns. Do you really want to take that chance?
That means the powers aren’t balanced enough. In USA I have the impression way too much power lies with 1 person from 1 party. In a democracy, absolute majorities should always be avoided in the most powerful places and policy should always remain the outcome (compromise) of talks between many different parties. The elections serve to point out how strongly represented every faction is, but no 1 faction should ever get near the amount of absolute control it has in the USA. Fact a 3rd party can’t arise means the democracy is functionally paralysed, not functioning in democratic way.
Oh you’re definitely right about everything there. Our government is definitely fucked and the balance between powers have eroded.
Once we get rid of First Past the Post voting, 3rd parties can become viable. But not now.
I’m a biiiiig fan or ranked-choice voting as a concept. It seems like such a nice way to get a more diverse political landscape which isn’t set in stone like the US has right now. It’d certainly give other candidates an actual shot at the position. You simply don’t even SEE third party candidates these days. They’re not in any debate, they never get talked about… After all, why bother when they’re never, ever going to win with the current setup?
The democrats really want to lose this election.
Biden’s cognitive problems were laid bare to the whole world to see. imagine a president of the strongest country in the world.
brace yourselves for another 4 years of Trump.
Yep. I don’t know if it’s malice or incompetence, but the Democrats are about to lose. Now, Biden may be cognitively fine to be president, but it’s clear he’s not fit to win an election. Sadly being good at the first doesn’t mean you’ll be good at the second. And if you don’t win, you can’t govern.
Democrats raise a lot more money when a Republican is in the White House
Biden’s cognitive problems were laid bare to the whole world to see. imagine a president of the strongest country in the world.
So you didn’t hear the diarreah of the mouth that Trump spewed? It seemed to me Trump was not even aware of what they were asking of him in half the questions
In this thread: Depression and angry, and misplaced comparisons.
This doesn’t change what we need to do, folks. Get Biden back in and use those four years to stay together and fix this bullshit. That’s the goal. I think we ARE angry enough to finally achieve something like it.
This doesn’t change what we need to do
Campaign at the state level to change our voting system so we can have more options in the voting booth?
Four years MIGHT be enough time to finally establish a viable third party, but it’s gonna take work.
Four years is not nearly enough to establish a viable third party. The rightwing has been working towards the current situation for decades. It’s nice the left is finally waking up but it’s going to take decades of continuing work to unfuck us.
That’s what they said last time. I’ll hold my nose and vote for him but I don’t expect anything to improve and I’m not going to stop bitching about it.
At this point, I’ll settle for “hold things together without sliding into pure fascism”. Staying in a crappy place you are is better than going somewhere worse.
But yes, you should be doing whatever you can to make things where you are better in the meantime.
They’ve had 4 years already and done nothing with it. I don’t know what you think another 4 will accomplish.
They’ve done plenty with it. There have been a large number of positive changes. Lists exist in SO many places, go find them. Challenge yourself.
Just not the deep changes in the system itself many of us know is needed.
You can’t fix Capitalism, you have to get rid of it.
True, but replacing it with fascism is not an improvement.
Never said it was. Capitalism enables the conditions for fascism, the way to avoid and stop fascism is to remove the root cause.
Yeah, we’ll get right on that. /s
Eventually we will, or we will have fascism, yes. That’s how it works.
When asked if he supports some restrictions on abortion, Biden said he “supports Roe v. Wade, which had three trimesters. The first time is between a woman and a doctor. Second time is between a doctor and an extreme situation. A third time is between the doctor, I mean, between the women and the state.”
It’s Joever
…as opposed to Trump ranting about deciding whether or not to abort after the baby is born?
It’s not the best explanation of the Roe v Wade view of things, but it’s far from the worst and a damn sight better than anything any Republican is going to say on the topic.
What’s wrong with that answer? It makes sense to me. There’s a little verbal flub but otherwise it sounds alright.
It doesn’t make any sense to me.
Don’t you see?!? It’s the worst thing ever! Even worse than Trump constantly lying about easily verified facts and being unable to answer most of the questions!
Cool. Can you translate it into English for me? Because I didn’t follow it.
Haha I saw it as meaning in the first trimester a woman can get an abortion with just telling her doctor and having complete privacy without anyone else getting involved. In the second trimester, a doctor may get involved if there’s a medical emergency if they need to without the state being involved. I guess in the third trimester, and only then, is it up to each state if they want to get involved. There was some verbal weirdness in the way he said it, but I thought that was the general idea.
It makes no fucking sense to me at all, whatsoever.
